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    No Gi Judo Throw question

    For throws that happen out of an underhook/overhook/body lock type of situation, would you practice using the underhook to throw people or the overhook? For example, O Goshi specifically. I've seen it done both ways, with the underhook and with the overhook. Which one is better judo?
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    I'm assuming mean when both combatants have one underhook and one overhook.

    How I would do it is just use the overhook to get a good grip on the triceps of your partner and use that like you would the sleeve in gi judo. The arm with the underhook will then be the arm around your partners waist.

    If you find that you can not get your underhooking arm around your opponents waist (or just don't want to) then you can use that arm in a lifting motion along with the pull from the overhook to perform the throw.

    In either case you will be using both the overhooking arm and the underhooking arm to perform the throw. You have two arms, make use of them.
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    Actually, I didn't mean that, but I needed to know that, too, I guess. What I mean is, what is better judo in no gi, without the lapel, practicing throws off of the overhook or off of the underhook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by td82394 View Post
    For throws that happen out of an underhook/overhook/body lock type of situation, would you practice using the underhook to throw people or the overhook? For example, O Goshi specifically. I've seen it done both ways, with the underhook and with the overhook. Which one is better judo?
    O goshi uses an underhook already, even with the gi. Why would you switch to an overhook in no-gi? Are you thinking of some other throw?



    Apart from that observation, I’ll just subscribe to hear the opinions of more qualified posters on the OP. I’ve pulled off an OK(ish) uchimata or two from an overhook, but I mostly suck at standup (and judo).
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    Quote Originally Posted by td82394 View Post
    Actually, I didn't mean that, but I needed to know that, too, I guess. What I mean is, what is better judo in no gi, without the lapel, practicing throws off of the overhook or off of the underhook?
    They're applicable for different throws, opponent and situations. You need both for a complete throwing game.

    For example, uchi mata off the overhook is very useful for defending your legs and countering attempts to double-underhook/bodylock you, whereas if you want to o-uchi/ko-uchi -> forward throw it's generally a lot easier off the underhook.

    An underhook is kind-of equivalent to a collar grip and an overhook to an over-the-back one, a lot of the time. Also don't forget other grips like the two-on-one, you can set up mucho Judo from there if you get good at it.
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    P.S. If you don't mind dropping $70 Greg Nelson put out a couple of DVDs that explain no-gi clinch-work really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td82394 View Post
    For throws that happen out of an underhook/overhook/body lock type of situation, would you practice using the underhook to throw people or the overhook? For example, O Goshi specifically. I've seen it done both ways, with the underhook and with the overhook. Which one is better judo?
    Neither one is better Judo, they both have many applications depending on the situation and your skill level/set. You will need to work on both types of grips/clinches.

    Your basic judo will need to be strong to make any of it work against any sort of skilled opponent in any case.
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    Okay, thanks. I was just curious because of the other thread about gi Judo.

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