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  1. StepInCross is offline

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    MMA instructor/muderer

    http://www.keloland.com/news/NewsDet....cfm?Id=113044

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    MMA instructor ends up in a bar fight, beats up opponent too badly, opponent dies a few days after.
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    Yeah, that really sux! The fighter knows better. He should have better control over himself! Actions have consequences! No one wins in this situation! Sad waste of two lives!!
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    I hate hearing about this. If it's not for the tragedy of senseless death, it's the tragedy of ultimate stupidity.
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    Aggravated assault. Wish I knew the full story.
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    My google-fu is weak. Anybody got the know how to track the specifics of the story down?
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    Put his name in the Advanced search function on the website you provided:
    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=120528
    A Mixed Martial Arts trainer is heading to prison for seven years for beating and killing 26-year-old Justin Jaton outside a Watertown bar in March.
    16 Stories
    09/07/2011 - Stulken's Emotional Sentencing
    09/07/2011 - Man Sentenced To 7 Years In Prison For Fight Death
    09/07/2011 - Watertown Man Sentenced To 7 Years In Prison
    09/07/2011 - Cameras In The Court Progress
    09/07/2011 - Watertown Man Sentenced To 7 Years For Manslaughter
    08/10/2011 - Watertown Man Pleads Guilty To Manslaughter
    08/10/2011 - Man Pleads Guilty In Watertown Fight Death
    04/20/2011 - Man Pleads Not Guilty In Watertown Fight Death
    04/18/2011 - Watertown To Consider Fighting Ordinances
    04/11/2011 - Hearing Set In Watertown Fight Death Case
    04/02/2011 - SF Gym Owner Discusses State Of Martial Arts
    04/01/2011 - Watertown Suspends Future MMA Events
    04/01/2011 - Martial Arts Code To Walk Away From Fights

    03/31/2011 - Brother Says MMA Trainer 'Not A Monster'
    03/31/2011 - Man Charged With Murder In Watertown Beating
    03/31/2011 - Watertown Man Charged In Fight Victim's Death

    The timeline and idiocy that ensues is embarrasing. One guy is an idiot, another loses his life and a bunch of asswipes blame all of MMA in general.
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    Actually this is really interesting and disgusting:

    The Mayor used it as a platform to suspend and get MMA banned.
    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=113102
    "I'm not a big fan of ultimate fighting. What's the next thing, gladiators? I don't know," Mayor Gary Williams said.
    Williams says MMA fans in the stands, who get worked into a frenzy by the fights, often take their aggression into the streets, leading to a spike in assaults. His office has been flooded with calls about the matches in Watertown.
    They proposed two changes:
    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=113992
    The city council is considering two ordinances that would impact the fighting events. One would ban them. The other would impose regulations that include getting a permit and requiring a physical examination of fighters before and after the event.
    They put it to a City council vote:
    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=115313
    The City Council voted 5-3 earlier this month to allow MMA events, a form of fighting entertainment some label as barbaric. MMA opponents submitted more than enough petition signatures to force a citywide vote, and the council on Monday night voted to put the matter on the ballot June 21.
    A petition for a public vote was signed and MMA was banned:
    http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=117114
    The vote was 1,228 in favor of the ban, and 841 against it.

    This comes after months of controversy, following a mixed martial arts instructor being arrested in March on murder charges
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    I don't understand why they are so angry at the MMA instructor. It was a heat of the moment thing. Its not like he stabbed the guy in cold blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StepInCross View Post
    I don't understand why they are so angry at the MMA instructor. It was a heat of the moment thing. Its not like he stabbed the guy in cold blood.
    Apparently, and according to investigators, he did not stop beating the victim even after the victim fell unconscious.

    It's one thing to defend yourself against attack, thwart the attacker, and contact authority figures... It's an entirely different thing to beat someone unconscious and continue beating them UFC style with no ref. to break it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex View Post
    Apparently, and according to investigators, he did not stop beating the victim even after the victim fell unconscious.

    It's one thing to defend yourself against attack, thwart the attacker, and contact authority figures... It's an entirely different thing to beat someone unconscious and continue beating them UFC style with no ref. to break it up.
    For all they know the guy might have thought he was still conscious or getting up or got beat up trying to knock him out.

    I've personally been in a situation where I've choked a person unconscious and got really angry because I got bruises and blood on me while the other guy is unscathed. In the few times that has happened to me, I also beat the guy up even though he was unconsious and unable to defend himself(which was my intention in the first place), just to even the score. No one made a big deal out of it.

    Although now that I think of it, it does seem stupid. But still.

    Okay. Maybe I'm biased because I've done the same. You have a point. Argument conceeded. Shutting up now.
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