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Posted On:
11/06/2011 10:10pm--
Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
"Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ
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Posted On:
11/06/2011 10:55pm--
Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
"Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ
"Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken
My Bullshido fan club threads:
Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
ATTN TOM KAGAN
World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy. -
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Posted On:
11/07/2011 1:58am
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Considering that he was quite unwilling to discuss this in a public forum earlier this evening, and also the fact that I lost my cool and shouted that he was a lying, parrot-shaped, mother fucker after it became abundantly clear that there was no honest debate to be had, my guess is no.*
The funny thing is if Zuffa would just hire him so he could stop pretending to be a journalist he'd be a great press agent and give real journalists a good point of communication.
*I openly admit this was not the best way to go about. I think some people who knew me there were a little shocked given my tendency to be entirely stone-faced at anything and everything. -
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Hey Lampa,
Would you care to elaborate the affair in a way that occasional readers can understand?
I occasionally listen to Helwani's radio show, and it doesn't seem to me that he is a Zuffa muppet.
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Posted On:
11/07/2011 9:56am
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Well, I really suggest you read the letter I linked in the OP. Not to give a nicer version of "search function noob," but that was my best summary of the issue when I wrote it and it still is.
The long-short of it is that Global Strategy Group, a PR firm hired by Zuffa, screwed the pooch royally in the process of getting MMA sanctioned in New York. They saw an opportunity to turn the union group that Zuffa was already hopping mad at into a scape goat for their own failures.
Whether the UFC was complicit in this gross distortion of the truth because they wanted to generate bad PR for the sworn enemies of the Ferrtitas in Nevada or if they simply went along with it because it was an easy lie to believe is both immaterial and impossible to know.
What is known is that they are now too proud and too pot committed to go off message, even if that message may ultimately be damaging their own efforts in New York.
As for Helwani, he's always taken his marching orders from the UFC. The infamous memo that started this whole thing written by Josh Gold, who is part of a different union organization and not authorized to speak to Unite Here, was first printed by Helwani. Also worthy to note that Gold later admitted that it was an excuse to take a pot shot at Zuffa and was intentionally placed where it would have no effect on the legislative process because they don't want to block MMA in New York.
Helwani was not in New York at the time, but in Vegas for the UFC summit that discussed changes in fighter relations policy. Helwani's print also had the memo header stricken from it because it indicated the letter was not directly from Unite Here. His contact for getting this memo was clearly someone working for GSG or Zuffa press relations.
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Posted On:
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Posted On:
11/06/2011 9:05pm
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Ariel Helwani is a liar and a coward