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  1. whatever123 is offline

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    An alternative look on Aliveness

    I found this article in another forum

    http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/aliveness.html

    Some interesting concepts.

    I didn't like the fact that it made a stab at Matt Thornton at the end of the article. Nor the too deadly to fight MMA guys bit

    So, my questions are;

    How do you train exclusively for skills (improving stance & form)?

    When should resistive training be added (alive drills)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever123 View Post
    I found this article in another forum

    http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/aliveness.html

    Some interesting concepts.

    I didn't like the fact that it made a stab at Matt Thornton at the end of the article. Nor the too deadly to fight MMA guys bit

    So, my questions are;

    How do you train exclusively for skills (improving stance & form)?

    When should resistive training be added (alive drills)?
    If by 'interesting' you mean mixing lies with truth and coming up with half-baked justification for avoiding hard-contact sparring and therefore legitimising a system of fighting that doesn't teach you how to fight, then yes - those concepts were 'interesting'.
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    I started getting frustrated when he started moaning at the term muscle memory. No one actually thinks it means the muscles have a brain. Yet the writer seems to think that that is what a person means when they say muscle memory.

    He also seems to believe that aliveness means totally negates drilling techniques and attempting them from the start against a resisting opponent which is also not the case.
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    Just skimmed it... he makes a great analogy between martial arts and learning to drive, and then comes to completely the wrong conclusion.

    How do people learn to drive?

    Do they sit in their garage, with the engine off, learning the perfect form for pressing a brake pedal... Or do they have to go out and fucking drive, in traffic, for real?

    That's aliveness in a nutshell... Would you feel safe in a car if the driver got his license by sitting in his garage pressing the pedals over and over? No, would you ****.
    Last edited by Lu Tze; 5/22/2011 9:08am at . Reason: I wish my car had a break pedal
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    From skimming, it seems to me that the author thinks that alive training means taking a beginner and having him spar/roll without actually teaching him any techniques. And then he says that you should first learn the technique before training it with resistance, sparring...
    Which is basically the concept of aliveness.
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    He uses an awful lot of words to build a strawman and attack it with a false dichotomy.
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    I used to find his material interesting. This was just retarded.
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    I always thought that the concept of learning proper form prior to application was common sense (If I'm not mistaken even Matt Thornton does that based on articles & vids).

    But I thought that the article did convey that point well.

    based on the article above I wanted to discuss two points

    1st development of skills, what is the most efficient way?
    2nd after developing skills when to apply them (i.e. alive drills then sparring, immediate sparring, or other method, etc..?

    but since the thread was moved i guess it'll be difficult, oh well

    Never heard of the guy prior to reading the article. looks like I have to read the threads posted by IIF
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    I didn't know it was moved. Your second questions have multiple threads as well.
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