Thread: I got judoed
7/11/2010 2:04pm, #1
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I got judoed
So i am in Japan working for a few months. I found a great school to train BJJ here, and for the first time i am the "big guy" in class even though I'm only 6 feet tall 175 lbs. I've been training for almost two years but haven't done much standup so i was excited when the other day we had a class on takedowns followed by standing sparring. So i get paired up with this little guy. I'm talking maybe 5'4" and 145lbs at most. I'm thinking to myself, "I'll take it easy on this little guy. I"ll take him down gently so he doesn't get hurt." What i didn't know was that alot of these guys over here already have trained Judo since they were kids....So we square off and each get a collar and elbow grip like I've seen watching Judo videos on youtube which has been the vast majority of my judo education, which is almost none.....Now I saw it coming but i just couldn't believe it while it was happening. As i recall he spun his back towards me and went to his knees. At this point everything turned to super slow motion. He pushed up on my collar with his right hand and pulled with his left. I witnessed myself flying over him. I quickly realized that my hands were trapped so i couldn't even soften the impact. Long story short, this little Japanese guy slammed me on my face HARD. So lesson learned. Never underestimate anyone, and i going to learn all the Judo i can from these guys while im here.
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7/11/2010 2:20pm, #2
Ok so... I will throw the guys around with it and I am 240 odd pounds or so. naturally as my guys are not the "Yes sensei!" type I hear "well you are just big and have so much weight to throw around."
Now.... please understand the lengths I get people to see that with proper technique the throw (and quite a few other) techniques feel effortless. I can tell you from at least my experience that if that guy had to strain during any part of that throw you would have felt the effort, tactiley adjusted to it and it would not have had that sensation you so aptly describe as "before I knew it I had the gift of flight......" I often describe this as "tripping" no!! not like in the Haight Ashbury... but the sensation is like when you just tripped over something, feel yourself completing the idiocy and cannot do a damn thing to stop it... your mind telling you "how will you explain this once you hit the ground!"
The thing is as you experienced and something I cannot get across is that you do not need to have a lot of weight to use it effectively. What I tend to emphasize with this throw is not to use a lot of pushing and pulling with the arms, but to do the entire thing from the footwork... until his balance is taken and then just a little push pull.This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.
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7/11/2010 4:46pm, #3
First time I ever got judoed was about twenty years ago. I had been roped in to doing a "medieval wrestling" demo at a Renaissance Faire-type community festival and had worked up a choreographed routine with one of my training partners. Then I issued a light-hearted general challenge to the crowd; first fall to win.
A couple of young guys volunteered and I took them down pretty easily, then a small man who must have been in his 60s said "I'll have a go, son". I was honestly worried about hurting him accidentally and asked if he was sure about this. He said yes. Can you tell where this is going?
I knew I was in trouble as soon as we clinched and the "match" lasted about six seconds. I have no idea what he threw me with. As he helped me up he assured me that I'd been a good sport. Got talking with his wife later and she told me he was a 5th dan, former national judo champion ...Check out the Bullshido.net Western Martial Arts Forum for all things Western, martial and arty.
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7/11/2010 6:57pm, #4
7/11/2010 10:24pm, #5
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7/12/2010 1:02am, #6
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7/12/2010 4:50am, #7
If he was punching his lapel up as he dropped, it's the same grip as tsurikomi goshi, although I guess it probably was seoi, since noone does tsurikomi dropping to their knees, as opposed to squatting
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7/12/2010 5:13am, #8
YouTube- seoi otoshi tai otoshi
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7/12/2010 6:39am, #9
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I thought it was drop seoi nage if you went to both knees, drop seoi otoshi if you only go down to the one knee?
But a blackbelt at my club told me that the only difference between the two is the hand/arm motion (elbow goes toward there armpit in seoi nage, whereas forearm stays more upright in seoi otoshi).
I put it out of my mind until this thread came along.
7/12/2010 6:47am, #10
First learn ukemi...it helps cut down on the aspirin consumption. :-)