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  1. coolmove is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Kali/Arnis/Eskrima stick disarms

    do they work?
    can you really get to disarm an armed and determined opponent?

    IMO, no, unless it's "larga mano" (hit him hard in the hand, forearm) or you are related to some philippino GM (and even some of em say "viva la larga mano")
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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    The only time I've gotten disarms (or been disarmed) have been through hand hits, stupidity/sweat (the opponents stick just slides out on the backswing) or during a clinch.
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    The opponent has to screw up something first...
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    I've never heard of Eskimo disarms before oh I mean ESCRIMA! disarms. Heh heh

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    They can work but more often they're too complex and require more fine motor control than you'll manage in a situation that is practically seething with adrenaline. So more likely, you'll instinctively try them, screw it up, and get your hand hurt.
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    I say the only disarm that works is crack the hand or forearm, thier stick often will drop.
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    well... a largo mano would be the correct approach when dealing with Eskrima.. because escrima sets the rule of hitting the closest object to oneself (ie the hand) and then every other vital blow that one can execute... and... if one has the option for a disarm then one takes it.. With regards to the other topic, about the disarms "being too complex", there are many disarms that are quite simple... if you find a good teacher the training will show you how to make disarms "second nature".. of course, the training is only there as a point of reference... there are disarms from every point of reference... so no matter where one finds oneself (angle of attack or other positions), one can take the option of disarm if one chooses to... by rule, Kali (eskrima) teaches to hit, with deadly precision and intention, at every possible chance, the disarms happens mostly when the opponent is stunned (or not well trained)... Disarms can be quite useful... in my opinion the goal of a martial artist is to have complete control of their opponent (and any situation)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by by-the-throat View Post
    They can work but more often they're too complex and require more fine motor control than you'll manage in a situation that is practically seething with adrenaline. So more likely, you'll instinctively try them, screw it up, and get your hand hurt.
    The ones I'm learning are simple and actually the same as JJ techniques (wrist, arm, head) and like those, only work when used by good people. Like the only time I've seen big aggressive guys dance around controlled by one hand on their wrist was when 4th Dan Yukio Kono or his 4 Dan buddy came down to our dojo to spar. Normal martial artists don't get to use this stuff because we are shitty at it; they work fine, just do 'em in hard fast drills for a decade or two.
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     Style: FMA / BJJ

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    http://www.hertao.com/filipinomartialarts/sombrada

    The video on this page has been posted and referenced on this site before but it has a lot of good things in it. It has a disarms at 00:18 and 01:57 that are simple and effective.
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    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    The opponent has to screw up something first...
    OR

    "larga mano"

    OR (and this is frequently overlooked)

    When you have first "earned" the disarm by substantially damaging/diminishing your opponent first.


    No doubt some of the more "finesse" disarms aren't likely to work against a non-diminished opponent. But cut/smash up their arms and hands a bit, or wear them out, and many possibilities will become available.
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