12/15/2009 4:50pm, #1
Retardation of the Century: Navy Seals Prosecuted for Roughing up Al Queida Leader
Sometimes it really bothers me just how retarded the system can get. I apologize if this has already been brought up, but this really got to me.
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.
The three, all members of the Navy’s elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral’s mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named “Objective Amber,” told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.
Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.
Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.
Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.
Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.
12/15/2009 4:56pm, #2
Guy Who Pays the Bills and Gets the Death Threats
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- MMA (Retired)
This was a hot subject of discussion at my unit. Long story short: stuff like this hurts troop morale.
12/15/2009 4:58pm, #3
12/15/2009 7:59pm, #4
Is is true that the SEALs insisted on a court martial, though? Also, I'm surprised this wasn't covered by the mainstream news.Best Vietnam War music video I've ever seen put together by a vet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDY8raKsdfg
12/15/2009 8:10pm, #5
Where does the chain of logic come in? Soldiers apprehend wanted terrorist + murderer. Said terrorist/murderer complains about bloody lip. Soldiers get in trouble. WTF?
(Soldiers are the guys who are paid to make terrorists dead. I know I'd hate it if I got fired for doing what's in my job description.)
12/15/2009 8:12pm, #6
This is bullshit. I'm as anti-authoritarian as the next libertarian, but it's a fucking WAR. You can't go suing SEALS for punching hostile targets in the face while capturing them.
If these were domestic police officers roughing up a citizen who was accused of, but not convicted of, a crime then I might see it differently.
But that's not the case. These were soldiers tasked with accomplishing a VERY VERY DANGEROUS mission against a highly resisting and likely well hidden and well armed target. You can't go getting pissy at them if the punched the guy while getting him into custody.
Give them a medal.
12/15/2009 8:13pm, #7
12/15/2009 8:18pm, #8
Don't forget the fact that this guy strung dead decapitated bodies up in plain sight. Bloody fucking lip? I hope this gains more serious attention, so that more people can call the decision makers on their bullshit.
And yes, those brave men deserve a medal. And a promotion for dealing with this crap. It's hard enough being out there as it is, but dealing with this PC internal bullshit... that's just beyound unreasonable.
12/15/2009 8:30pm, #9
This pisses me off more than anyone can know! I signed the petition on facebook, funny thing was I found out about it on Dana White's twitter feed! Funny.
I wish there was something we could do about this. I mean damn, why don't the people of this United States of America get a say in **** like this, instead of letting ***** politicians that have never been attacked make these decisions.
Ughhhh, I'm so pissed off!
12/15/2009 8:36pm, #10
Similarly, regardless of whether you count insurgents in a country you occupy as criminals or hostile soldiers, you are not allowed to mistreat them, no matter what they may have done to your side. So if the soldiers did indeed beat Mr. Insurgent more than was needed to capture him, they are in the wrong, emotional involvement or not. This should not need to be pointed out.
It has been suggested that this case is political, that the military brass is making a show for the Iraqis to see that they follow rules too. Possible, but I get the feeling there's a lot the press has not been told yet.
And now please don't go off on a OMG U SUPRT TERIZM rant. That is not the point.