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  1. Larus marinus is offline
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    Just how tough is Steven Seagal, really?

    We've all heard the Gene LeBell poop story. We've all heard that he dicktucked when Van Damme and Bob Wall called him out. We've all heard the various lurid tabloid stories and legends about his history and private life.

    What I'd like to discuss here is slightly different. I'd like to, if I may, move away from the mocking of the guy or calling him out as a nutcase and an arsehole (just for now, I promise) and instead start a discussion about what The Seagal is *really* like on the mat - as a combatant and a teacher from. I'd be interested in hearing accounts from people who've actually trained/sparred with Stevie, or have heard such accounts from people that they would be prepared to vouch for the honesty of - people with the straight line to the straight dope on The Seagal, as it were. IIRC, there was someone posting on here who said that they'd trained in SS's system and got to hang out at his house a few weekends a year...

    Now, I do remember reading anecdotes on the web over the years (perhaps from Seagal's guys, perhaps not) which have stated in no uncertain terms that in terms of martial skill, he is teh r3al d3al.

    Just a month or so ago, I ended up on some Aikido forum (Aikiweb, I think) and read a comment from a guy whom had supposedly encountered Seagal at a seminar a couple of years back and had been sceptical of the guy, thinking of him as a fat, old, has-been, egomaniac blowhard (which is probably true - but anyway...) - until that is Seagal told him to come at him full force and *really* try to beat the crap out of him. He did - and apparently couldn't even get near him, such was the speed of SS's footwork, blocks and deflections once he got moving, despite his fatness. Then Seagal turned things around insanely fast and nearly broke the dude's arm.

    Just thought that it might be interesting to throw this out there and get a few different perspectives on the man.
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    Well im pretty sure he was the first westerner to operate an Aikido Dojo in Japan, his a 7th Dan right? So I guess in Aikido terms he has tha skillz.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sainthamish View Post
    Well im pretty sure he was the first westerner to operate an Aikido Dojo in Japan, his a 7th Dan right? So I guess in Aikido terms he has tha skillz.....
    I've watched some of his Aikido videos on YouTube and to be honest, the only comment I can really make is that he steers his flying ukes pretty well... :toothy6:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larus marinus View Post
    I've watched some of his Aikido videos on YouTube and to be honest, the only comment I can really make is that he steers his flying ukes pretty well... :toothy6:

    So he posses some theatrical talents as well.....

    It will be interesting to see whether anyone has ACTUALLY been to one of his seminars, or seen him practice in person.....I must admit im quite intrigued as well....
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    My curiosity has been piqued.
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    someone should ask Gene LeBell how tough Segal is, as opposed to how tough he thinks he is. Its a funny story. If MTripp stumbles onto this thread he should tell it
  7. Holy Moment is online now
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    Just a month or so ago, I ended up on some Aikido forum (Aikiweb, I think) and read a comment from a guy whom had supposedly encountered Seagal at a seminar a couple of years back and had been sceptical of the guy, thinking of him as a fat, old, has-been, egomaniac blowhard (which is probably true - but anyway...) - until that is Seagal told him to come at him full force and *really* try to beat the crap out of him. He did - and apparently couldn't even get near him, such was the speed of SS's footwork, blocks and deflections once he got moving, despite his fatness. Then Seagal turned things around insanely fast and nearly broke the dude's arm.
    Assuming that it was an another Aikido guy trying to attack him, Seagal probably didn't have to do much to impress him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Just a month or so ago, I ended up on some Aikido forum (Aikiweb, I think) and read a comment from a guy whom had supposedly encountered Seagal at a seminar a couple of years back and had been sceptical of the guy, thinking of him as a fat, old, has-been, egomaniac blowhard (which is probably true - but anyway...) - until that is Seagal told him to come at him full force and *really* try to beat the crap out of him. He did - and apparently couldn't even get near him, such was the speed of SS's footwork, blocks and deflections once he got moving, despite his fatness. Then Seagal turned things around insanely fast and nearly broke the dude's arm.

    Just thought that it might be interesting to throw this out there and get a few different perspectives on the man.
    How long has he been doing Aikido for?

    Say what you want about it, but that right there is the Aikido shtick.

    If he couldn't do it by now, he wouldn't be who he is.

    And if he wasn't such an insecure ego maniac, he might even be likable.

    As for how tough he is? Dodging punches or not, all it takes to break the man down is an insult to his pride. Not so tough eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    Dodging punches or not, all it takes to break the man down is an insult to his pride. Not so tough eh?
    Does he still think he is native american? If so littering is also an option.
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    Judging by the way he runs and when he appears topless in his movies looking at his shape (no homo) he would appear to have the conditioning of a little girl and probably wouldn't be able to stomach (literally) a teep and his legs would turn to jelly from a few round house kicks.

    I think he is like most Aikijoka, a fucking larping joke who cant act or run or fight.
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