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  1. TEA is offline
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    Jumping Back Kick

    Just watched a repeat of the Loiseau (sp?) vs McArthy fight. Upon closer inspection, it is clear that Loiseau used a jump back kick and not a standing back kick to hit McArthy. The advantage of the jump back kicks, supposedly, is that it is quicker to get off because their is no friction between the standing foot and the floor. The lack of ability to push off of the floor with the standing leg is offset by the forward momentum of the hips from the jump.

    How many of you train jump back kicks and how do you set them up?

    I usually only do them when pushing out of the clinch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEA
    Just watched a repeat of the Loiseau (sp?) vs McArthy fight. Upon closer inspection, it is clear that Loiseau used a jump back kick and not a standing back kick to hit McArthy. The advantage of the jump back kicks, supposedly, is that it is quicker to get off because their is no friction between the standing foot and the floor. The lack of ability to push off of the floor with the standing leg is offset by the forward momentum of the hips from the jump.

    How many of you train jump back kicks and how do you set them up?

    I usually only do them when pushing out of the clinch.
    I train jumping back kicks in taekwondo the way I was taught to do them is when pushing out of a clinch because your opponent has less time to react they don't have to be thrown when pushing out of the clinch but you want to do them when either your opponent is close to you or when they are moving toward you hope that helps.
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    Here something I found (the hard way) with back kick, it isn't the speed but the distance. A lot of people throw them so that it lands with the leg fully extended, but you can also throw it from real close so that you hit with your knee bent. Which is what the crow did jumping or no, he doesn't get full extension - which is a good thin, it's hard to see coming too late to move out of the way and hurts like a bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goju - Joe
    Here something I found (the hard way) with back kick, it isn't the speed but the distance. A lot of people throw them so that it lands with the leg fully extended, but you can also throw it from real close so that you hit with your knee bent. Which is what the crow did jumping or no, he doesn't get full extension - which is a good thin, it's hard to see coming too late to move out of the way and hurts like a bitch.

    exactly when you extend fully you lose full power
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    Correct me if am wrong, but I *think* GoJu-Joe is meaning not to land the kick when the leg is fully extended, but you should attempt to fully extend the kick, or kick through the target, upon impact for maximum power and not just meet the target and then return.
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    I definitely wouldn't like to throw a spinning kick when too close.
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    I throw it as a counter to a person's punch and no I never try to fully extend.
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    No, Goju has teh correct. Most people throw back kicks, jumping or otherwise, too far out and miss (e.g. most of GSP's attempts). As Snake clarified, it needs to land when it still has plenty of room to extend (i.e. 2/3 to 3/4 extended) and you need to keep extending once it makes contact. We always trained to envision striking through the spine of our pad holder when doing pad drills. Also, my instructor in Hawai'i always taught us that you need to be within hand range to really nail it.
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    Originally Posted by chuey
    ...Well **** if that isn't the most anti-Mr. Miyagi **** I have heard in ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake Plissken
    Correct me if am wrong, but I *think* GoJu-Joe is meaning not to land the kick when the leg is fully extended, but you should attempt to fully extend the kick, or kick through the target, upon impact for maximum power and not just meet the target and then return.

    Sort of,

    I see it as kind of the kicking version of a hook to the body, in that when you throw a hook you are not trying to extend your hand through the person rather the power is coming through your hand from your hips and legs,

    Same thing with the bent leg spinning back kick

    Here is a crow gif



    Compared to the one GSP lands on Hughes that fully extends and jsut pushes him back

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    As you can see comparing the two it the power coming through the crows hips not his leg that cripples Mccarthy.

    I know this because I have been on the receiving end

    Which is why most of my training is now grappling
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