You'd have to ask Mr. Cates why he uses culturally inapproptiate titles.
Originally Posted by JJX
Judo denotes rank with arm bands?.. and what MT 'styles' are you refering to.. muay boran styles?.. lopburi, chaiya etc?
I've read on this forum about some MT styles using colored arm bands (sounds pretty silly to me) to denote rank in the same manner that Judo does.
In Thailand there is no rank but your record and i personally think ranking students beyond.. beginner, intermidiate advanced will mcdojofy MT
Does he refer to them as 1st kyu.. dan etc?
Even the would-be (or is it wanna be?) king of RBSD, Sammy Franco, still uses the colored ranking system (not with belts but with t-shirts!) borrowed from Judo (and then Kenpo, I believe...)
Ya.. i think thats pretty stupid
even with an American sounding art name that is as far removed from an Asian art as you can get.
Founded by a Japanese
Danzan-Ryu Jujutsu was founded in Hawaii, not Japan. Should it have a Hawaiian name? Or a Japanese name or what?
When I see Small circle JJ.. or Brazillian JJ i don't think japanese style i think brazilian interpretation of JJ etc.. When i see long japanese names and the term hombu and soke used i see someone trying to attract larpers and instill their art with a history that it doesn't have. It is false advertising. There can be no good reason for a non japanese art with non japanese founders with non japanese instructors not in japan to use japanese and a term like hombu rather than say headquarters.. the public doesn't know what the **** hombu means there is no good reason to use it other than attaching oneself to something that you aren't really apart of.
What about Small Circle Jujutsu? Should it be renamed Small Circle Soft Art/ Art of Softness? Ditto with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Who claims that Japanese names are off limits?
On a tangent thought... If there was an unarmed fighting academy, in your local area, that trained in a half-way decent striking and grappling system/style called, "Whoop Ass or Beat Down" would it make it more or less attractive to students? Or do Asian names attract a certain crowd to the martial arts (maybe this is what attracts LARPers to "Ninjutsu/Shinobijutsu")?
I really don't have any of these answers, but they are questions swirling in my mind.
I guess if your "new art" is based on Asian styles, giving it an Asian name is more of an homage to your roots than creating a fraudulent Asian-sounding style. Once again, I look to Neko-Ryu Goshin Jitsu for this explanation.
I mean **** Judo guys don't even call themselves Soke.. but this guy creating Cat style self defense (did he learn neko in his first japanese lesson?)
Calls himself soke even though he has no koryu tradition that would make it relevant.. he is not japanese and the art is based on judo where they don't have sokes.. BECAUSE ITS NOT A FUCKING KORYU.
Hey but i guess you have to call yourself a soke if you wanna be in the soke club and voted soke of the year and go to the soke meet and greet which oddly is all a bunch of 10th dan fat americans with made up ... um i mean their own highly effective arts
These guys ADVERTISE themselves as part of World Head of Family Sokeship Council.. which is a fraudulant rank trading bullshit organization. So what then should i think of them?
Logic, truth in advertising, linguistics, tradition, cultural context etc etc suggest they should be off limits for things that are not Japanese.
Who claims that Japanese names are off limits?