Devil just stop trying to set these here asskickers up, just cause you are jealous of their secret knowledge of self-defense and combat survival.
---sent from public transportation using my PFX 9687 while laughing at the underprivileged.
As I said the self defense aspect isn't truly training with resistance because like ANY other system the escapes have to be somewhat compliant. We dont really kick each other in the groin. BUT then you add sparring/grappling.
I mean haven't you seen the Gracie self defense stuff? Zero resistance. But then they add resistance training.
We do the same thing. The only question is whether or not you think dead drilling has value. I think it does. We are trying to engrain a reaction. Exhaust students, then have react to varied threats according. Under stress **** breaks down, even somewhat compliant attacks. The sparring/grappling is needed for when Things dont go accoding to plan. But it is often geared towards getting to your feet quickly or disengaging from a stand up situation as quickly as possible. It's a simple formula. Why is this so hard to grasp?
Krav Maga does a great job of systemizing defenses to make them easier to learn. But afterwards you need to add the fighting. You need both. The self defense can teach tactics, technique, and mindset to help someone deal with the intial attack. But you need the fighting for when the guy attacking you doesn't go down from that kick to the groin.
I would like to add that what the organization I am a part of, and the school I teach at specifically are doing is what I was always taught is supposed to happen with KM. We started with KMWW in 98 or 99. Back then they were the only origanzation I knew of doing KM on a large scale. They always promoted sparring and grappling. At the national training center in LA they had (and still do) no gi submission wrestling, boxing, and Muay Thai classes being taught in addition to the KM fight classes. So the attitude from the national center from the beginning was that you needed to be able to fight.
My instructor was in the first licensing program they had. He always told me Krav Maga was supposed to evolve. That Imi (the founder) intentional left two spaces in the circle on the symbol for km. That the space at the top was to let good techniques in and space in the bottom was to let bad techniques out. That one of the reasons Imi picked Darren Levine to run KM on the west coast was because of his work as a DA. That he would be in a position to see trends in criminal activity. He was given the power to officially make changes in the system and it would still be officially Krav Maga.
I was actually at one of the curriculum "updating" events. No they didn't invite me, they invited my coach, but he brought me with him. The top 10 or so instructors in the US were there going over techniques and asking,"what do we need to change? What do we need to add and what do we need to delete?" I know for a fact there was far less grappling in KM in the late 80's before the UFC popularized grappling. KM addressed the issue by working with some Gracie (I forget who) to add more ground defenses.
Fast forward 10 years my instructor broke away from KMWW and decided to form his own organization, Krav Maga Universe. He adapted the same vetting process for its official curriculum. He added even more ground work. You will find half guard techniques, techniques from turtle, and other groundwork that would be unnecessary in a basic self defense program, but needed in a well rounded fight program in KMU.
Now I know we are just one organization, but I'd like to imagine we are not the only ones doing it right. Maybe I am wrong? We do encourage cross training. At our own gym I teach gi and no gi bjj, and have an incredible Judo coach, 6th Dan Joe Condello. We have had pro mma and San Da fighters teach fight classes for us. We believe you need both the basic self defense and the fighting.
Same deal with Krav. Dead uke training is dead uke training. No amount of effort to justify it will suffice. If someone can fight despite wasting a portion of their training time, it doesn't change a thing.
Master of all styles.
None of the silly excuse stuff. muay thai, bjj, wrestling, boxing need to be incorporated as drills and you need to train with the guys in that feild in the systems they specialise in without bullshit excuses about how you don't specialise.
That is the only way you can get a mixed system right.
Then on top of this basic technical core that works go all street.
This is what I do for restraint and control. I sneak it into my mma sparring.
Devil so you feel there is zero value in training a technique that cannot be trained with full resistance. I disagree. I think a large spectrum of resistance should be used with different aspects of training. Grappling training being really the only area where you can go 100%.
Greg, I pretty much agree.
They're relying on shitty technique and they have no idea it's shitty. Like the stupid knees you see everywhere in Krav videos where they "control" their opponent by grabbing one shoulder with both hands and knee him repeatedly as if the guy couldn't escape. You're a grappler. You know that's bad technique.
The shitty punches. The shitty kicks. The delusions they have about the effectiveness of nut grabbing. It's bad training. The fact that some people cross train doesn't excuse that. But regardless, the truth is that the vast majority of these shitbirds aren't cross training effectively. Hell, how many martial artists really cross train effectively? In reality, most Krav practitioners will train predominantly with dead technique against a non-resisting opponent and walk away with a false sense of security.
Every Krav practitioner wants to argue that they spar or that Krav isn't really a system unto itself. But until they can demonstrate the ability to throw a punch, their arguments don't hold water. They're just shitty wannabe fighters until they can demonstrate some proficiency in the fundamentals of fighting.
If the grappling was good enough in Krav Maga, why cross train? If there was enough "alive" training in Krav Maga, why cross train?
My impression was that you implied that your Krav students, absent cross training, were up to blue belt level in BJJ. With cross training, and legit ranking as blue belts in BJJ, not a problem.
I'm a 3rd degree black belt in Judo. I've rolled with BJJ blues that were damned tough to handle...and others that were not so much. There is a fairly wide range of skill and athleticism...