This is a thread I found cruising through the net on another forum: http://www.thetaobums.com/Andrew-Lum...ct-t11342.html
It's a spiritual forum, but every once in a while martial arts get brought up. This thread arose out of a discussion about Andrew Lum, a martial artist who lives in Hawaii. A frequent poster within the thread, SSTTInstitute, a Dr. Minoru Hata, has said some various things within the thread regarding the superiority of the martial art taught within their lineage.
The Lineage is called Lum Dai Yun, but also refers to some practices from Maoshan, which now resides in some other lineage now called "Sung Ho Tao" (not very clear)?
Anyway, here is some of what he said (taken from that thread):
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I don't have the MMA Hawaii August issue. I know what is in the article. At this time MMA Hawaii is not publicly putting this on their website as it would make 'mixed martial arts' as we know it, completely obsolete. Mixed martial arts is a $billion$ dollar business so much of what we take for granted on this Tao Bums forum would be considered bad business for those who have invested so much money towards MMA in Hawaii.
The article in "MMA Hawaii" was published out of respect for Andrew Lum and Patrick Moon regarding their contribution and guidance to the martial arts community through the Lum Dai Yun lineage
Here's a link to their website: http://www.sstt-institute.org/aboutus.htmlQuote:
pick up an issue of MMA Hawaii. Patrick Moon is the ranking Si-Jo at this time having a higher rank than Andrew Lum or myself. There are no videos, nor explanations of what this art can truly do.
Buy a ticket and visit Patrick Moon, when you get to Hawaii I'll give you instructions how to meet him in class. It's been made clear that any demonstrations at this time will be given through Patrick Moon in which Maoshan has a new family, Sung Ho Tao. Because Patrick Moon's classes are free and at this time he is the top ranking master(Si-Jo), ask him personally for a demonstration I do mean this respectfully
Now that Patrick Moon's Sung Ho Tao of Maoshan has gone public -see for yourself and don't take my word for it. There are many who have taken Si-Jo Moons challenge and no one has lasted more than a few seconds. So I am not asking you to take my word nor anyone elses word. Because of the danger of this art, it has not been available to the mass public. Patrick Moon is skilled enough to stop 1-8 people at one time without injuring you and without breaking a sweat. It's worth the trip to Hawaii because there may be a time when this art may not be available to the mass public. Patrick Moon has called me personally that these demonstrations and detailed explanation from those outside the community be done by only by Si-Jo Moon. In this way there is no chance of misunderstandings and doubts similar to what has happened in the Kunlun Community. If you also want to meet Andrew Lum during your stay, Patrick Moon will make the arrangements.
Join our forum below if you are serious and I will assist you regarding this matter of meeting with Patrick Moon for personal demonstration Maoshan(Sung Ho Tao) in his class. You are not the first who have doubts outside our community and I'm sure you won't be the last. PM me on your 'Username' on the SSTT forum after you have joined and be prepared to buy a ticket destination to Honolulu, Hi. This goes for anyone else interested. If there are a group of you(50 or more) who are sincerely interested, Patrick Moon will be able to get you discount rates through a travel agent who is also within our community. Discount rates on hotel and airfare if (50 or more) are interested and you coordinate to travel to come all together. I'm sure more than yourself has doubts where you live and Hawaii is a beautiful vacation spot all year round. You should be able to find at least 50 MMA interested friends to join you for a discount trip to Hawaii
And here's a link to the forum where Dr. Hata said you could contact him to arrange a meeting: http://www.sstt-institute.org/forum.html
Anyway, some pretty impressive claims were made, as well as an open invitation to come and try it out for yourself. I'm a college student right now pretty strapped for cash, so a plane ticket to Hawaii just to meet one guy isn't quite within my means, but I figured somebody here might want to take him up on the offer, or at least give any more info.
Has anyone seen the MMA Hawaii article? Anyone heard of Andrew Lum or Patrick Moon? Dr. Hata says they are "well respected within the martial arts community", but I don't know if that means "other old school traditional martial artists who aren't into real fighting anymore," or if he means "guys who run MMA gyms." If MMA Hawaii really printed an article about him... well, I guess we'd need to see the article.