Curious. According to this rational, in a "spontaneous fight" the martial artist should have full access to his fine motor function, unfettered by the impeding effects of adrenal flush' tunnel vision & restricted gross motor function.
Originally Posted by raylawley
Yes, when you reduce your art to such a two-dimensional level and practice taking your opponent down to that level whether they like it or not, yes, you will prevail quite often. I would never dispute that. However... the cat is out of the bag, & there are many strikers who go out of their way to learn some BJJ or ground fighting so as to keep things at the standing level (takedown counters, sprawling & whatnot). Personally, I think this is much more effective, ESPECIALLY if you want your sport art to translate over to real life, where there is no ring, no preplanning, no viewing of fight tapes, and where there may be multiple opponents and/or weapons.
In contrast, in a ring fight you have a long time to think about the fact that some guy is about to try to beat the crap out of you. You sit around for a couple hours in changerooms pondering this.
Your adrenaline pumps. Your body reacts to the stress, especially when it's a fairly new experience. When you get in that ring, your body's been stressed for at least an hour.
You're being badly affected by this, especially when you're fairly new to the ring (Yerkes-Dodson Law - high stress with relatively low experience = lower performance level).
Admittedly the other guy is in the same boat, but even so it's a fairly interesting difference.
So the fact that BJJ works while your mind is in such shape impresses me greatly.
What is the universal cry of the Knife Attack or Multiple Attacker Scenario? RUN AWAY. How you gonna do that when you've drilled over & over & over & over to take your opponent to the ground?
Uriah Faber was apparently in a street fight, as cited earlier in the thread. How useful do you think his ground grappling experience was? He fought his way out, ON HIS FEET, and he RAN.
Funny, that wasn't my point. I'm not surprise that that is what you heard tho. I think Silat could be demonstrated very well, and I also think that Silat practitioners should pressure test, absolutely. But, many things that are part & parcel to my particular style of Silat are totally illegal in anything that would be considered a friendly or organized competition match, & I'd probably have to train my ass off to try and get rid of it all. I may be willing to do this some time in the future, but not now. It would ruin my current learning curve.
And I cannot believe nobody has called you on the "Ours is a COMBAT ART not for SPORT" comment yet! Sorry man, but that gives me nasty flashbacks to the Bujinkan. I know; different stuff. But there's absolutely no reason at all that Silat could not be brought to a throwdown and demonstrated extensively.
Call me on whatever you like. We can talk about it.
I'm not sure if you were being funny or sarcastic earlier when you made a thrust towards the "dangerous techniques that can't be used in sparring" argument, but if not I'm surprised nobody called you on that as well.
Yes. An inevitable and undeniable conclusion to a long and rather fruitless post.
But anyway. I'm not really qualified to comment further because of my lack of general experience as well as my absolute lack of experience with Silat.