Jing Ying Institute of Kung Fu & Tai Chi
This is Billy Greer, the owner of Jing Ying Institute of Kung Fu & Tai Chi. Anyone with personal experience at Jing Ying would find the review by 123ash to be laughable. It's as if the opposite of the truth was said about almost every aspect of the school.
123ash said "They held gradings EVERY MONTH"
Yes, that is true (except for the month of August). This does not mean every student tests every month. Students spend a minimum of 5 months as a beginner before they can test to our intermediate level. There is a minimum of 13 months at the intermediate level before they can test for advanced level. Then there is a minimum of 17 months at advanced level before they can test for black belt and the testing process takes an additional 6 to 12 months. Keep in mind that these are minimums. Our curriculum is at
123ash said "These guys give black belts to anyone"
In the last 4 years, 4 black belts have been awarded and the students earning them had trained an average of 7 years and ranged in age from 27 to 47.
emu_forefront said "They have an incredibly huge number of child black belts"
We don't have an incredible number of black belts period. See the paragraph above. Sean Marshall probably hasn't awarded 2 dozen black belts in the last 20 years. We don't have ANY "kid" black belts, the current youngest is 16. (Yes, she was 12 when she earned her black belt but was exceptional and at class almost daily during the 4 years preceding her advancement)
They also said our program is more geared towards "getting a workout and learning forms"
We do emphasize physical training. Any school that is teaching you to fight should be. It does no good to learn applications if you are going to gas after the first few techniques are thrown. We believe you have to have the strenth, endurance, flexibility and explosiveness to execute techniques. Physical drills, live training. bag and pad work - all incorporated in classes. Our classes are divided so that the first half of the week has an emphasis on training applications and forms, the second half emphasizes self-defense techniques and sparring. If you came to one class, it might look like all we did was forms or it might look like all we did was sparring depending on when you came, but neitehr would be true. We have a balance of both.
123ash said "they place more emphasis on push hands then anything else"
Even our tai chi program does't put an emphasis on push hands and it's not specifically practiced in our kung fu classes. Maybe it should be, it's actually a very useful skill and if you practice bjj, you'd be amazed at how beneficial it is to be able to redirect people shooting in for a takedown.
123ash said "u wont be taught how to fight"
Sean Marshall was a well respected full-contact fighter who has fought around the world and was nationally ranked in the old PKA. A couple of the instructors have worked as bouncers. So, there is lots of good experience to tap into. Our curriculum puts an emphasis on timing, distance control, footwork and combinations. We cover striking, throws and takedowns, grappling. We imcorporate Qinna (Chin Na) or joint locking and Chinese
Wrestling or Shuai Jiao. Our beginners don't do sparring. They start with cooperative drills to learn techniques. At the intermediate level, they get to spar with primarily striking techniques so they learn distance control and timing. At the advanced level, we add in takedowns, throws and grappling techniques. Our philosophy is to start with solo practice, go to cooperative partner practice, then move to training with fully resisting partners.
So, to dispell the McDojo claim, let's review. Usually a McDojo is a belt factory designed to churn out black belts and mint money for the owner. At Jing Ying, we operate like a club. There are no contracts or intiation fees. For your monthly dues, you get to train up to 6 days a week and can take as many classes as you like. The only restiction is that you can only participate in classes at your level or below. The class schedule is here:
http://www.jingying.org/schedule.html. The McDojo is going to lock you into a contract so that by the time you find out how bad the school is, you're already locked into paying them for the next year. I think we have one of the best programs around, but I know there is no one perfect program for everyone. I figure if we are doing a good job meeting your expectations, you will keep coming back each month without the obligation of a contract. If we are not what you are looking for, you will be free to go elsewhere without having to fight to break a contract. You just don't pay and don't come in when you want to quit. We do not "crank out" black belts unless you consider an average of 7 years training per black belt and an average of less than 1 blackbelt per year to be cranking them out.
A McDojo will often focus on classes for kids as that is where the money is. Our kid's program represents about 1/4 of our students. We have more programs for adults and more adult students. Several posts refer to our "large number of child black belts." This is a complete fabrication. You won't find even one blackbelt under 16 at the school and you won't find more than one under 25.
A McDojo will often have anyone instruct, including kids. We do NOT have child instructors despite some of the claims. We have some teen ASSISTANT instructors who help out with classes under the direction of the regular instructor. They primarily help with the kids classes. Other schools often just pick a more senior student in a class to teach other students in that same class. Then you end up having random students teaching other
students. Our instructors are listed at http://www.jingying.org/instructors.html
A McDojo will often have many upgrade programs to entice you to spend more and more money by making you feel special. We just have the flat monthly membership fee and you can participate in all of our programs. We like people who like to train! Do we charge for testing? Yes, $25 covers the cost of your new belt, the certificate and the ceremony itself. We have demonstrations and refreshments as part of the test. The fee is low and only
happens a few times a year at most. There is no charge to be evaluated at a pre-test which is required before you can be approved to test.
The best thing about our school is the attitude of the students, There aren't a lot of testosterone fueled egos here. Most of the time if someone nails you with a good technique during a sparring match, right after the match they will tell you what you did wrong that left you open and will recommend a defense. If your ego demands that you "win" sparring matches in class, you don't give away your secrets. If instead you understand that there are no winners in sparring matches in class and the purpose is to help you improve your skill, then by helping your classmates improve, you are forced to bring your skill up to the next level as well. You benefit in the long run by teaching your classmates how to defend against your techniques.
Bottom line, words are not likely to convince anyone. Come out a see some classes or better yet, participate in a free class and form your own opinion.