Hi Kittyki..for clarification..giandomenico was a windsurfer who was brought to kim by his coach to help him win the national championships...I believe he was 19 at the time and purportedly, because of her meditation classes etc, he won. He was lured , as you call it by her promises of fame and fortune and began working for LWS as a sales rep. He went up in the ranks in record time and was executive vp of LWS by the time he was in his late 20's and the president of another one of her companies, MorningPlanet based in Milpitas with an office in the Philippines.
Originally Posted by kittyki
He was removed or left depending on whose version you want to believe in June of 2006 when Kim found out about his relationship with another COL member. Giandomenico was never rich but he did have a flair for sales which made him an asset to Kim.
re: your posts about spreading the word about kim. Every one of your suggestions have been tried and for a while, worked but at some point people have decided that its best to move on with their lives. A lot of people on this forum have been here from the beginning and have told their story, and for them, maybe that was all they needed to do. The experiences shared here, fresh as they may seem to your eyes are to others, parts of their lives that they have shared and faced and are ready to put in the past.
If you have the energy and the time to take on this endeavor, by all means do so and if there are others that are willing to join you in this then kudos. I just want you to understand that if no one here takes you up on your offer, its not because they don't care, it's because kim has become about as important to them as the flies that buzz around you during the hot summer months, it annoys you, you flick it away and it's gone, until the next fly comes along.
The information here, the experiences shared have brought healing to those who were hurt and is meant to serve a heads up to those who may be caught up in the same situation in the future. Everone who reads this will decide for themseves whether or not the writers are credible. They will then make their own decisions and nothing can be done if they choose to believe kim over us. I am glad that your friend has seen the light and that these threads have helped. If there was only one person saved because of the experiences shared, that is fantastic in my book but as long as there are people alone and searching, vulnerable and weakened by life's challlenges , there will always be a "COL and a "Kim" who will try to "save" and "lead" them.
Maybe instead of spending so much energy focusing on her, we can try to focus on helping those self same people before they even get to that point. Teenagers, young people, abused women and men, the lonely , the insecure, the desperate. Sometimes all it takes is a random act of kindness. Just saying.
"Be the change you want to see in the world." :XXhippylo peace.
Rossanna, you speak words of wisdom to which I cannot add much.
My experience was so long ago that I am only academically curious as to the goings on of Kim and her syncophants.
I no longer hurt, but those more recently separated from her cult need to share their pain and frustration, and this forum is the place for healing and venting.
My own life since escaping TYK's death grip has been rich, and in a strange way, I guess I can be thankful for suffering her hell, for as a result, I have been able to help others through my volunteer work with victims of domestic violence - which is all about power and control, whether that be with a spouse, partner, or so called "master".
It is good seeing you online and sharing Rossanna.
Years ago on this blog, three of you were working on a book. One of you, Bemused I think, even did a lecture on cults. Rossanna tells it like it is, in long and eloquent speeches. Chica's posts (that weren't gone) were heartfelt and told a lot from the perspective of someone raised in COL. Kathy, so much of you comes out in those posts. But whatever happened with those vandals in '07? Bemused and Carson, you two are great conversationalists, and Clare is just mischievous, (in a cool way), and Ryan is the ultimate sarcasm expert. But really Shadow is the true wit of this board. You have all helped to start something that is now beyond the walls of COL and indeed BS itself. 'With great power comes great responsibility,' Spider Man's uncle, Spider Man. Failed Student, you and one other Vermont poster, both of you are the keeper of the original story. For you to stop now would be unfortunate. At the end of the day, as a fifth person edits a version of the story, if you all refuse to comment elsewhere and stop, that story cannot go out.
'Who am I? I am an avatar (not quite the Cameron version, but more like the net kind, like the Matrix) for a former Jung SuWon student. Although I am not as concerned about being caught since meeting some of the old gang at the mall weeks ago, I will still maintain my anonymity.
'Let's talk about some minor corrections on name change students within COL. For starters, CA was not named for the Matrix, as his new name was given at least 5 years before that movie. It was 'my friend' who suggested LK not chose the name Sarah Connor because it sounded silly, and she chose SK. KC is named for a baseball player. He was BF. RD was a young sa junior who is likely still training. He is now an adult. He is not on here. To my knowledge, AG has never been on this board. At my friend's black belt testing, he discouraged the demo team (in the camouflage) from using Janet Jackson songs in the video version because it would infringe on her rights. Reluctantly, AES removed the music and replaced it with standard music.
'Yes, bemused, Carson, Shadow and Kathy know exactly who I am. I am not MEA. Did he really quit? I can't believe that. Ha! I was never that high in rank there.
'JP has not posted on here. Those posts were not written by JP. I don't know who did it.'
GM did try to train a boy with MDS. That is true. His name was Michael P. He passed away after he stopped training. He was not abused or anything. He made it to yellow belt. His brother stopped training but returned in 2007. He may still be there.
The boy trained in the late 1990s.
What the posters allege:
TYK is not really a grandmaster, or at least she wasn't in Vermont. When she was living there she was a third dan. She crossed the country and became a grandmaster. Her creds do not exist.
TYK actually became a grandmaster in 1989, at roughly age 45. This would be consistent with the minimum age limit in Moo Shee Do. She then changed her 'art' to Jung SuWon, and tested her highest student for master.
TYK has been involved in several small claims court cases, from fraud to marriage fraud to embezzlement, but all of them were either settled or paid off.
TYK has had multiple awards and appearances, and had her picture taken with celebrities and politician for make herself appear like a movie star.
Allegedly, TYK has had multiple cosmetic enhancements and tucks and wears wigs. Many celebrities do this.
Allegedly TYK had cancer in about 1986 although she exhibited no symptoms of having chemo, and my friend could attest to that since he had relatives with cancer on chemo, and she didn't act like it.
Allegedly TYK had a medical procedure around 1996 or so to repair her insides. Friend assumed this was a hysterectomy not a breast augmentation as it is speculated. (If it was uterine cancer, then perhaps the chemo was not visible). Also this might lend some credence to her story. It is also kind of messed up to speculate for 40 pages about such things. I only did it here for a paragraph.
TYK stopped having lavish birthday parties about 2004 and started doing work at the homeless shelter called City Team ministries. She still does those.
Allegedly TYK paid TKD times to print all of her stories, even the 2009 story, and got her students to write the articles. Actually this is verifiable. The articles thus would be 'puff pieces' or editorials, not actual news. Now if COL students hasd to pony up to buy the 'ad' and the article' that is low on her part. And then to have them buy all the copies. Wow. I got my 2009 issue free after listening to JP's Borg drone speech for an half hour.
TYK is over 65 years old and can no longer hide her aging. My friend last saw her in 2008. She didn't look so good up close. For 65 she looked okay though.
TYK's TV shows and TV station ideas are all gone, despite students still discussing it like they're still on the air. My friend was in a commercial spot for one. They were canceled in about 2002. She planned to reopen her studio in 2004 but never got the permits. The show is not still on anywhere. As someone said, she made about 44 episodes of the TYK show, but only a dozen or so of the other one, Time and Place. (Might have those names crossed).
In 2005, a former student initials JH, called clarehoare, and some former yong sa students, began posting on e-budo, cultmaster and Bullsahido web sites, among others. Their names still appear now and then elsewhere. My friend did not find out about it until 2007 by accident. He did not tell anyone on the inside.
Some more corrections:
TYK called herself a grandmaster when she was in Vermont. When I first started training in 1981, both she and her brother claimed to be fifth dan. About two years later, she elevated herself to grandmaster status. No evidence of a testing however.
As far as settling any lawsuits, the way she did that with me was to declare bankruptcy, as did her husband Art. A frivolous countersuit filed by TYK was thrown out by the California court when she and her chief henchman, SHS, stated in their affidavit that they never did business in Vermont.
THIS JUST IN THIS JUST IN!!!
I was just watching an Americas funniest home videos with the kids, and there was a commercial for the show "Wipeout" i wouldnt have paid attention, but i heard an audible "Jung Su!" OMG WUT.. i backed that **** up.. what do you know... Michael Fell and Holly Chamberlain.... In full jsw regalla, and wearing their headband throughout the challenge... tuesday night abc @ 8pm.. LOL
Hi Claire, if you create a part 4 thread, with a link to the new thread here, I will now lock this one because of its length.