the scores in the ratings box have not changed for some reason, maybe a staff member can figure out why. although we don't like to edit people's posts on this site, if you post the scores you want to have set, a staff member may be able to fix it.
Originally Posted by division42
it's not necessarily about how "real" the training is, it's more about using progressive resistance to test your technique and skills. we don't believe that it's possible to learn to fight well without testing the techniques on a resisting opponent.
For right now I'm not sure what even your explanation of "Aliveness" means. For all I can tell is it is a question of how 'real' our training is? It sounds like you have a completely different philosophy than what is compatible with the system. Maybe I'm wrong, but the article makes reference to a lot of things that I'm not seeing. Nor do I have that much time right now.
of course i'm not all that familiar with your particular system, but if you think that aliveness goes against the philosophy of kung fu in general, i think you are very wrong. we have always had a degree of aliveness in my school, and incorporating more of matt thornton's philosophy into our training has been both easy and has shown a remarkable improvement in the speed of the students' progession.
the design of the site is not the product of the collective members, but of the site owner, and most people have no problem finding their way around. the look and feel of the site is really not pertinent to the discussion at hand. as long as you can read the text and follow the links we give you, you shouldn't have any serious problems. continuing to complain about the site design would generally be seen as an attempt to divert attention away from discussion of the merits of your school.
Also, I mean the formatting of the website is too busy. I run the latest version of Firefox, and I agree that my formatting isn't all that great in my description, and have entered the CR's.
please do. of course there are throws, takedowns and chin na in kung fu forms, but your school is claiming to teach shuai jiao. this is a separate system, and if your school claims to teach it, you have to be able to show your lineage. the lineage for every other art taught is clearly listed on the website, but the shuai jiao lineage is suspiciously absent. there's nothing wrong with teaching throws and joint locks, but calling it shuai jiao with no lineage or certification in that art is not acceptable.
I'll have to ask about any lineage for our grapples. If it's anything aside from what is contained within the forms. All the technique is in the forms. Adapted and translated through the owner of the form (students).
ok, now we're getting somewhere. lei tai equipment is minimal: head gear with face cage, fingerless gloves, cup and mouthguard. a mouthguard cost between $2-$25, a cup from $5-$25, and you should be able to borrow headgear and gloves if needed. so i don't really buy that you can't afford the gear. if hard sparring is really a priority at the school, that's easy enough to make happen.
The hard sparring we do is lei tai. I don't have equipment for that and don't have the money to get it. Not fond of other peoples mouth gaurds either. So, in that manner we do have some people that do compete in lei tai and often place 1st-3rd. But no actual team (that was updated as well)
i'm more interested in hearing about the lei tai competitors. the only lei tai tournaments that i know of are run by the USCKF http://www.usksf.org/ . they have a national tournament in baltimore every july, as well as several regionals throughout the year. the results are published online (1st-3rd place anyway) so it should be really easy for us to verify that your school does compete and win in full contact. that would go a long way towards validating the high scores in aliveness and striking, so it would be really helpful if you could provide us with some specifics, and would get kai and i off your back about the scores you posted.
you're right, that site is truly bad. thanks again for answering our questions, i think we are getting a much better idea of what your school is all about.
I'll direct you to the world's ugliest site. This is where Sifu Voss and the other instructors are this weekend:
If you have any more questions or scrutiny, let me know. I'll do the best I can. (as far as the videos go on the site, I haven't a clue what they are, I"m blocked at work)
you should really check out the videos we are discussing, as they give a fairly bad impression of the school, compared to what you are describing. that may have a lot to do with the skepticism you are experiencing from the members here. a school that spars hard contact and wins on the lei tai needs to put that sort of video on their website.