Oh, happy joy, as if I don't have other things to do....
If you can't endure hostility over the internet I'd hate to see how you'd respond to a physically threatening situation.
Originally Posted by Blase
Pressure testing will do that for you. Training and sparring in an alive environment makes you sure of your abilities, whether you're sure you're **** or you're kick-ass, it doesn't matter. You are sure regardless.
People here sure are up themselves.
Your perception of the English language and mine sure differ then, because "I'll issue an open challenge to anyone that feels they have the cajones to take it up." isn't an offer to come for a friendly spar to test technique.
To the Bullshido members, in particular Das Moose: The remark from the woman was bang on the money. I'm sure Mr Rimmington wouldn't be pleased to hear his name bandied about, but I had no difficulty understanding the challenge for what it was - namely an invite for you to let your opinions be known to someone who works tirelessly for the furtherance of WJJF Worldwide.
The fact that she was doing it in someone else's name without that person's knowledge is beyond words.
Your system is a JJJ style, it's primary focus is on grappling. Das Moose beat a first dan in your system with three months training. First dans are apparently allowed to teach. A teaching grade in your system was bested in his primary discipline by someone with three months' training. The facts speak for themselves about the quality of the system as it was represented.
Das Moose, you're convinced the style is ****, yet you admit you wouldn't tackle Sensei Rimmington in any capacity
Here you show mindless hero worship.
(here you show some wisdom).
If the style is **** and totally ineffective, his 7th dan grade shouldn't matter a jot because it's all a joke, self-promoted blah blah etc right? The fact he's a big man shouldn't come into it either.
Not the whole argument, but some of it relates to this point. If the system is so effective, could you be confident enough to place someone who has trainined purely in it against someone with similar time in training from another style?
The argument is about the effectiveness of the WJJF syllabus for self defence.
No you can't. Would you be willing to put Talia, by her own admission an eight stone woman, up against a twelve stone bouncer to prove the effectiveness of your system? No? Didn't think so, see how absurd arguments work both ways?
Besides, you can't pick and choose your opponents in a street fight.
No, that's called scientific control, by ensuring that both practitioners are similar in height, weight and experience the quality of the system they studied becomes the only difference maker.
Saying you'll only fight someone in the same weight class, with your rules and tacking on a proviso that they can ONLY have trained WJJF for, or less than, 3 years is a jest surely?
Are you saying that a practitioner of WJJF with three years of training would not be effective against someone with three years in a different style? Just how many years do you need to train at this style to effectively be able to defend yourself against someone?
Again, picking a fight you know you can probably win?
Five? Name them. Ask them. I can't speak for Das Moose, but if he's put a challenge out then I can imagining him backing it up. Full MMA rules will apply, so you can strike etc. so all ranges of combat will be represented....unless your style can only be effective if it's allowed to bite and eye-gouge....
I can think of 5 students off the top off my head that match your criteria that could hurt you very badly, assuming it was a test of the effectiveness of the system in self defence and not the effectiveness of the system for winning grappling tournaments under grappling tournament rules.
So you admit standards are slack in your organisation?
The nature of affiliation is such that there are obviously a lot of clubs where standards are slack.
People want to be under the WJJF umbrella to give them some credibility, but Soke Clarke can't vet everyone and personally oversee them all.
It's his organisation, why is he handing out affiliation and links to people who is not sure about?
It's understandable that he has limited time, we understand this, but it is his responsibilty and no one else's to ensure the standards of his organisation.
As mentioned his health isn't the best and his time is limited also.
It is not our fault that a dan grade got beaten at grappling by a beginner, and it reflects badly on your organisation and training, not us.
Wrong, most people do care, people want to know what they are investing their money and time in, we provide checkable evidence. You have yet to.
There's some intelligent people here and I think it's a crying shame that most of you seem to spend lots of time being the self-promoted champions of the misled masses, exposing the McDojo's for what they are etc. Most people don't care,
Again wrong. Most of the members of this site previously trained in dead arts that left them unprepared whilst instilling them with a false sense of confidence.
Those that do are probably already clued up enough to know the real deal from the sham.
Get over yourselves.
You're proud of training in an organisation where you have identified a whole host of problems?
I train WJJF and I'm proud of it. Yes the system is lacking in some areas, randori on a regular basis would be great, but it's not the be all and end all of training just because that is true of yourselves.
The main question is why are you still there and not finding a new club without these deficiencies?
Pray tell how you are an expert on this?
Training for competition isn't the same as training for the street.
We are told that WJJF (true practitioners at least) forbid competition, we'll leave the video proof of a dan grade competing aside for a second, if you don't train for competition how can you compare the training methods or results?
Wrong, in a fight you do not rise to your potential, you default to your training. If your training is substandard then you are in trouble.
It has parallels and usefulness yes, but most of the time it is down to attitude.
A pro-boxer in a street fight and losing? My that's newsworthy, I'm sure you could give me this pro-boxer's name and I could check your story with him, his gym and the news of the time.
I've seen pro and amateur boxers and kickboxers get schooled in brawls by street toughs with next to no formal training.
I'm sure you could if you didn't make it up. Feel free to prove me wrong.
You don't in MMA by an large, you sign up and the promoter finds an opponent. Again you are using a strawman with no basis.
All their alive training availed them nothing. Again, you don't get to choose your opponents when something kicks off.
So you'd put Talia up against 'an average bloke' attacking her with haymakers and trust you JJJ to get her through unscathed? How long must someone train in your system to attain this level of invulnerability.
For the average bloke swinging a haymaker at your head, our Ju-Jitsu is fine.
So your style is rendered void by a soccer kick? Or any TKDer of Karateka? And you're happy in this system while admitting this?
When faced with someone more dangerous than that, you were in trouble anyway.
You see that's the final thing, based on sentence structure, spelling and grammatical errors and formatting style I believe you are the same person as Talia and will be getting the mods to do an IP check. If they are found to be the same and you cannot provide a good reason it will be assumed that you are using multiple identities for the purpose known as 'sock puppetry' and will be banned accordingly.
Sorry about the formatting if this doesn't get paragraphed, having to post through a proxy at work.