Thanks for the write up.
Thanks for the write up.
Originally Posted by MaartenSFS
Oh my, how sophisticated! Can you tell how impressed everyone is?
I enjoyed reading that.
I also recognize the variety of bug which crawled up an ass or two around here.
It turned into a contest of which foreigner knows teh r3al China (or something like that). Cuz obviously another round-eye has been there and done that.
This is a mere sub-species of who's had the most asian girlfriends.
I lived in China from 96-97 and have been back there more times than I count between 1998-2005 mostly on travel occasionally on contract jobs. I speak Mandarin, as well as understand a couple of other dialects similar to it. I have seen numerous Wushu schools in China and attended Sanda matches as both a spectator and as an interpreter. I have traveled quite extensively in the country (especially in Shandong) from Shanghai all the way out to Lhasa in Tibet. The following is my opinion on the current situation of MA in China.
There are good Wushuguan's in China. I know of one personally that is quite large and has students from all over the country. They teach traditional Taolu (forms), but they also have coaches for Sanda, Judo, Boxing, TKD, Greco Roman Wrestling and last I knew of they were trying to add Muay Thai. Some of what Maarten says is true. Schools near temples are a lot more expensive but not necessarily better, the # of TKD schools in the country has grown exponentially in the past 10 years. In 96'-97' the only place I saw TKD was at a large WushuGuan and a couple of schools in Beijing and Shanghai. In 2005 it seemed even the smallest most rural cities had TKD schools.
Most University Athletic departments also offer Wushu programs that include Boxing, Judo, TKD, Sanda, and Traditional Forms. When I lived in China a good friend of mine was an instructor in the University Athletic dept. teaching Wushu. But he also taught Sanda, and even on occasion would have student's parents coming to his home asking him to take in their son as his student for Sanda. Through him I also met a very famous Mantis Master who fit Maarten's description perfectly, "3. ...egotistical, sadistic, arsehole..." after which my friend apologized to me repeatedly for this "Master's" behavior. My friend, a CMA Master in his own right, was embarrassed by this man's behavior.
Over the past ten years the amount of BS Mcdojos that have cropped up in China has gotten out of hand, but more recently you are starting to see more and more MMA schools popping up as well. I think it would be fair to compare the current MA situation in China to the way things were in the U.S. in 92'-93'. Mcdojos have hit an all time high, but suddenly this new concept of MMA has been introduced and the Mcdojos are now going to find themselves slowly loosing popularity.
I will leave you with a final quote from my friend made in 1997, "The way things are going with MA in China, in 10 years we'll have to learn how to fight from the Japanese" He wasn't too far off the mark. This decline of MA in China is nothing new, there are people in China who have seen it coming for a long time and have just not been able to do anything to stop it except keep their own standards high.
There are quality instructors in China, who value realistic training but their numbers are slowly and systematically decreasing, but I don't think they will be eliminated completely, they will bounce back to preserve some kind of order in the Chinese MA world.
Feel free to stop useing the word "arse" in every other sentence to Dick head!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex
I lived in China from 1999 to 2000. There were some sanda guys at the university , as well as a guy teaching xingyi. The tough thing about CMA is that there are some unique skills, but having the skills, and using them against resistance are two different things. Oh, and gettting someone who can/will teach you is also/can also be a problem.
Who was the mantis guy? He wasn't a moderately famous actor was he?
Not to my knowledge. He was older probably somewhere in his 50s, very stuck on himself. Took the time to point out that a recent MA event in Japan how greatly he had impressed the Japanese Karateka with his speed and then took us back to his apartment to show off all his pictures of him doing demos in Europe. I only met the guy once so I can't recall his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by wackamole
My friend is also a Shifu in Mantis and has published several articles on the state of MA outside of China. He was one of the very few Chinese instructors that I met at that time who knew who the Gracies were and was aware of MMA developing in the U.S. (this is in 1996). He is currently working on his PH.D. in Chinese Martial Arts History (I think that's what's it in)
I never had any problems getting anyone to teach me, but that may be because I spoke Mandarin.
Originally Posted by Ronin.74
So, more than three times?
I could probably count out exactly how many if you like, but I'll need to take my shoes off first.Quote:
Originally Posted by wakinonioi
In my experience, most Chinese are more concerned with getting a good job or making money in business. However, there are some who are interested in traditional culture: painting, calligraphy, antiques. Martial arts is just a part of that. Further, it is not considered very "refined" to want to fight--MA is not considered suitable for gentlemen. Under Confucian system, martial artists are considered the at the same level as actors and prostitutes.
The government pours tonnes of money into sport, especially with the 2008 Olympics coming. But "sport" includes wushu and TKD more so than any traditional or combat-focused martial art.
In spite of that, I did meet a group of hardcore traditional Chen stylists in Beijing. The sifu did not seem to be so full of himself, but I guess there was a sadistic streak. They train outdoors year-round and are not allowed to wear gloves or hats. They didn't seem to mind much since they were keeping warm from training.