So, here's where I'm coming from:
I've met pretty skilled exponents of both Wing Chun and Bujinkan stuff, but the contexts in which I've done both have been similar enough to note. I've crossed hands with a few Wing Chun guys who were under Brian Lewadny and some BBTers under Court Elliot.
The main thing in both cases is that a lot of practitioners were really variable in terms of their quality but there were a few who stood out, either as instructors or as students.
In Court Elliot's case, I actually witnessed him deal with someone who came into the school and called him out. He handily pinned and submitted the guy. On the other hand, some of his students were talkers and compliance junkies. With the 'chunners, *most* of them were talkers, but a few (usually those with outside MA experience) could make their stuff work pretty well.
This brings me to what I see as a common problem in the cultures of both arts. WC and BBT are inclusive. Many schools seem to be happy to give people skill based on what they put into it without even leading by example.
Now I don't really mind what people do with their training. It's more important to me practice properly myself and surround myself with people who are willing to do it than to worry about everybody in the "family." But there *do* need to be positive examples out there. So where does that put these two arts? Like I said, I've seen decent practitioners, but they are accorded almost no prestige or comment in their systems. What should they do?
1) Wing Chun is hampered by the politics and -- I **** you not -- the bastardized romanizations used by exponents. When you need 3-4 different search strings to look up examples of an art, that's a problem for anyone who wants to see live training.
2) BBT seems to be hampered by the active interference of some of its high-level practitioners. Hatsumi's an old man who's probably earned the right to do as much compliant "play" as he wants, but his cultists are actively destroying students' potential.
Shinbushi's school has a sparsely populated "taijutsu alive" locator on his site and that looks like a good start, but there aren't any clips to show what it actually looks like. I found that kind of disappointing. WC sites keep showcasing chi sao play.
So I guess what I'm saying is that it should be in the interests of practitioners of both to do the following:
A) Gather under a common umbrella based on how you train. I fired up Google and looked for full-contact WC references and they're there, but they are so scattered and poorly maintained that it would be a challenge to present any comprehensive examples of live training at all. In BBT's case, expanding on Shinbushi's efforst and giving it its own site, brand and opportunities or communication would be a great thing to see.
B) Show what the delivery system is capable of live. WC videos are 99% Chi Sao. BBT is 99% compliant kata performance and of that, 75% of it is with an extremely weak uke.
Give each art's live-training advocates a site, a forum and a clips archive and the good exponents of those arts would really step into the forefront. So how about it?