Originally Posted by dakotajudo
Watch those first few minutes again.
That was not a throw attempt. That was not a 'false throw'. That was a weak ass guard drag. False tomoe-nage. LOL.
Just in case you weren't watching...that wasn't a throw attempt. That was simply dragging the opponent into groundwork.Quote:
You must remember that KOSEN judo is a style of competition from the 1920s, and reflects the rules of that era; at the time, you could be penalized for simpy dragging an opponent into groundwork, so you needed to use something that looked like a throw - and may even work as a throw.
Watch it again.
THERE ARE A FEW TOMOE'S in those 2 clips. Very few. And this wasn't it.
I love Judo as much as the next guy - but please don't be apologist on this one.
It takes a long time to develop a good standing throw that's difficult to counter, but tomoe - well, it take a while to learn to use for offense, but there's liitle chance of giving up the ippon on counter.
So, what you see in that bit is the coutner to an attempted tomoe-nage.
Which is just a sub-set of Jiu Jitsu. Ad nauseum.Quote:
Well, they're both just subsets of judo :)
Just in case you were wondering - that 'high school judo' style would abso - fucking - lutely own Judo today. Why? Because Judo today is weak.Quote:
It's high school judo from the 20's - it is primitive.
I love Judo. But listening to Judoka try to, on the one hand embrace Kosen Judo as the equivelant of BJJ, and on the other hand completely be completely unable to grasp the fact that Judo today has so little in common with Kosen or BJJ.