Originally Posted by Hung_Fa_Moose
Let's see, I gave a truthful (and verifiable) account of how much I payed while I was a member of Hung Fa Yi, as well as mentioning how much your group charges for other programs like the "Black Sash Club" and for becoming a "disciple." I could also have mentioned the $2,000 "instructors fee" to be certified to teach HFY by Garrett Gee (unless you're a "disciple") as well as the other ways to nickel and dime, such as shelling out $150 when the "grandmaster" comes to visit or $50 when Benny gives a workshop or the $65 Hung Fa Yi yearly membership fee, etc.
That **** adds up. And, as a result, learning Hung Fa Yi costs a lot of money.
Do you dispute these figures, BTW? If so, then I'm not "ignorant" in this regard, correct?
So, my first point to the guy who asked about it was that it is expensive, and I showed why I thought so. And, by comparison, if he really wants to learn how to fight and defend himself, I suggested that he'd be better off going to a MMA gym like the place I mentioned that is both a) LESS EXPENSIVE, and b) actually has people who have verifiable fighting credentials. (i.e. go to sherdog.com and look up Jorge Gurgel and "Meat Truck Inc." Now I now you Hung Fa Yi guys think that things like UFC, Pride and MMA in general are total bullshit, but that's for my next thread topic :new_smile!)
Then I mentioned my other two points: Hung Fa Yi's questionable claims and its cultishness.
I see you have a problem with that.
Sorry, but the purpose of this site to expose bullshit in the martial arts and Hung Fa Yi has a few whoppers.
First, the questionable claims.
Gee, where to I begin?
Am I "ignorant" when I point out that HFY claims to be the ONLY martial art in the world that is a "science" that "follows the principles of the universe"? Am I "ignorant" when I claim that HFY is the ONLY martial system to reach maximum levels of efficiency? Am I "ignorant" when I point out that HFY claims to be the ONLY "system" that "can counter all other styles"? Am I "ignorant" when I point out HFY claims to be "the most cutting edge martial art on the planet?" Am I "ignorant" when I point out that Hung Fa Yi not only claims to be the ONLY martial "science" but also the ONLY version of Wing Chun that has "preserved the Chan heritage" of the Southern Shaolin Temple? And am I "ignorant" when I point out that Garrett Gee was calling his super secret system by another name until the time he met Benny Meng, and then afterwards changed the name and the lineage by adding a couple of generations?
In case you didn't realize it, most of my HFY threads here all start off with verbatim quotes from your guys, whether it be from the pages of Mastering Kung Fu, hfy108, KFO or, now, Gary's website in Ireland. Then those quotes are subjected to criticism.
I gave my name already! It's back on one of the other threads, LOL!
For one who is too cowardly to offer his real name (after repeated requests by more than one individual), you've got some serious cajones making such negative comments based on your experience within the organization.
But seriously, what good would that do really? Why do you wish to know?
See above and tell me where I am wrong.
I see you as being un truthful in your tale there about Meng's.
No ****? One need not be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that from my very first post on this thread.
Average tuition depends greatly on the type of program you enroll in.
Larry Holmes could've done that.
I'm not bitching...but do you want the WHOLE tale of it?
Instead of bitching about it, why don't you tell the whole tale of it.
Well, basically, there was this little dot, right? And the dot went bang and the bang expanded. Energy formed into matter, matter cooled, matter lived, the amoeba to fish, the fish to fowl, the fowl to frog, the frog to mammal, the mammal to monkey, the monkey to man, amo amas amat, quid pro quo, memento mori, ad infinitum, sprinkle on a little bit of grated cheese and leave under the grill til Doomsday.
$290 a month + 6.5% sales tax = 308.85 x 18 months = $5,559.30 for 3 years of training comes out to $154 a month.
It seems (so I speculate) as if you were enrolled in the Black Belt Program in Cinci or wherever you studied, and that you were paying an amount that would have completed the financial portion of your membership within a year to 18 months, at which point you'd then not have to pay anything except for renewal fees annually.
And, of course, there are things like workshop fees and membership fees that could be factored into this as well, but I won't go there. Plus, when the 3 years was up, if you wanted to continue and teach HFY then you had to shell out $2,000 for the instructor's certification program. Or, for the real bargain, one could shell out $20,000 to the "grandmaster" and become a disciple. [Forget the fact that he only visits you guys in Dayton once a year!] Of course, I don't have $20,000 lying around so I'd have to take out a loan for that one, which means the discipleship-fee will actually end up costing me closer to $24,000-25,000.
Are you trying to tell me that this is NOT very costly?
Now, I know you guys claim to be "the most cutting edge martial art in the planet" and all, but, by comparison, some local MMA gyms only charge anywhere from $40-80 a month and with these you actually engage in hard contact sparring on a regular basis against committed opponents while learning a wide variety of attack and defense skills in ALL PHASES OF COMBAT (especially ground and not just standing like you guys).
...$40-80 a month to train with people who actually spar and who'll teach you BJJ, Muay Thai, submission wrestling, SAMBO and other stuff...
...or $154+ a month for three years of a Wing Chun style where I didn't spar a single time in the one year I spent in it?
Are you a disciple? Did you have $20,000 lying around or did you have to take out a loan?
When a student enters into Discipleship, they usually approach the Sifu at some point in their initial training, voicing an interest of some kind or another to make a committment to the system for what ever reason, to learn it as a serious undertaking, to pass it on, to teach, or for their own personal reasons.
No...not at all. Let's just say I had a "paradigm shift" and started seeing through some of the BS!
Now, I have a serious question for you. Did you get into an encounter with someone and lose, so now you badmouth the system b/c of that?
Get over yourself and do something meaningful with your life.
Since I dare criticize HFY my life must be without meaning?
LMAO! You have no idea about my life.
Let's just say my wife and children have a very high regard about my "meaningfulness."
[Boy you HFY guys always have to get the personal attack in, huh? Why is that?]
Not at all...I love it when you guys show up in droves, especially when all your rebuttals to the things I bring up can all be summarized by: "You're ignorant! You don't know what you're talking about! The proof is in the system! Only people within HFY can criticize it!" Blah, blah, blah...
Oh, and when you posted here negatively about HFY, what did you expect, us to sit back and do nothing?
As I said, then do take a stab at the things I brought up at the beginning of my post.
Expect to be called on the fact that you're making decisions and claim based on your experience and that not one of us will validate your criticisms because of your ignorance and short time spent in the system. You'd be stupid not to expect it.
BTW: you and the other HFY people keep mentioning my "short time spent in the system." As others have already asked (to no answer of course), how much time does one have to spend in the system in order to be able to criticize it?
I guess we can start with that question...that is, if you REALLY want to have a discussion.