I’ll say it again: a takedown puts you in a better position for submissions etc.
There's a difference between allowing a technique, penalizing a technique and rewarding a technique.
Most wrestling takedowns are only infrequently scoring techniques in judo (and low-scoring techniques at best), while there are submissions that can be set up by allowing yourself to be taken down.
Judo matches are rarely decided by takedowns - they are allowed, but not rewarded, so it's really a moot point.
Well, the videos I spoke of show wrestling takedowns being utilized to put the person shooting into position for match winning submissions. They don’t represent all judo, but these situations exist. And besides, how did you convince the wrestlers to go with you when they were deathly afraid of being “thrown around”??
I haven't seen examples of wrestlers entering and winning judo tournaments with takedowns - and I've been to a lot more judo tournaments than your two videos. I've even taken wrestlers to judo tournaments, and they haven't won on takedowns.
Well, now you've proven my point on your own, but ill say it again. a takedown puts you in a better position for submissions, just like you said. Okay, so a takedown all alone is ineffective. all right, lets not do it, and lets not learn how to submit our opponent after he's taken down.
Before you judge something, you need to understand it. In this case you fail to recognize that a simple takedown is not an effective technique in judo - it results in a score only infrequently, rarely ends a match.
A takedown, by itself in a judo match, is a wasted effort - you still need to work to secure a pin or submission; and if you can't do so quickly, you're back on your feet, no better for the effort.
On the other hand, when you can end a match instantly with a good throw, shooting a takedown is silly.
Thats like saying dont bother setting up your opponent with jabs in a boxing match, because it only takes one punch to knock him out. Just swing off on him.
saying "you got served" after a dance off is not the same as winning a fight.
By the way, how are you so sure that capoeira won't help you win fights? You've, what, seen some videos?