There’s a lot of judo vs. BJJ threads around and such but I have 2 basic questions about judo that are never quite answered by anyone else. My main sources of information are the website mentioned below and judo videos I've seen, in particular, the BJ Penn vs. judo black belts vid and the BJJ lurker at a judo tourney. If anyone has some insight, please share it.
1.) What are the actual rules??
The following points confuse me:Quote:
Certain types of techniques are forbidden. Joint-endangering holds may be used only if a match involves two contestants of black-belt rank. Striking an opponent with hand or fist is not permitted. Some basic wrestling techniques are forbidden. A judo competitor cannot, for example, force an opponent to the mat in an attempt to pin the opponent; such an attempt must involve an approved judo drag-down or throw.
A contestant may not avoid contact deliberately, or adopt purely defensive techniques, such as holding an opponent at arm's length or deliberately stepping out of the contest area. It is also illegal to trip or tackle; to use a foot, hand, or forearm on an opponent's face; to use a legscissors hold; to use any hold that might injure the neck or vertebrae; or to use the open fingers in choking.
• “Joint-endangering holds may be used only if a match involves two contestants of black-belt rank” But in both videos, the BJJ guys weren’t black belts.
• “Some basic wrestling techniques are forbidden” In both videos they are taking single and double leg shots. Hard to find any wrestling moves more basic than that.
• “It is also illegal to trip or tackle…” A lot of judo “throws” that I’ve seen are actually trips… and like I said before, double legs seem to be legal, and those could be considered “tackles”, to some people.
2.) Does Judo just suck??
I know there have been MANY successful judo players in MMA. But it seems like the rules of judo tournaments are just silly. I'm still judging by the aforementioned sources, however. If a person is just completely befuddled as to the proper course of action when their opponent shoots on them, and that shot is perfectly LEGAL, then it seems like the rules of judo and the way it is taught should be changed. It's like not learning how to drive in the snow because "most of the time" you don't have to worry about it. Moves that any crappy wrestler knows can win a judo fight, judging by those vids. And if a judo “expert” can’t win in his own territory, then it must be time to change crap up.
Perhaps question #2 was retarded, and the answer to question #1 will show me that. But from what little I know, judo seems to be FAR outshined by BJJ at the non- professional level. Muchas Gracias.