It seems that our starting point was whether pulling or maintaining guard as a defence against a standing opponent was an MMA habit unsuitable for all-out car park monkey fights. In paralell we're arguing about whether the standing or the grounded fighter are the most to blame for the stale mate this can turn into.
This exhange is more or less what happened in Werdum vs. Kharitonov, and depending on context this could, as thomaspaine pointed out, be valid as a self defence outcome for either or both combatants. Though obviously I'm not advocating preemptive guard pulling, it's not necessarily retarded to end up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omar
While this stalemate may be OK for the street, it's obviously sub-optimal for the ring.
In the ring the guard puller is stalling because he's adopted a purely defensive position, however a fighter walking away from the grounded guy and waiting for the ref to stand them up is not exactly pressing the action. If you put someone on the canvas and don't want to grapple, then what I'd like to see is the Chute Boxe foot-through-to-face guard pass, or similar, rather than having the ref intervene up so you can knock him down again. MMA is, or should be, about following the fight wherever it goes, rather than gaming the rules to make yourself a boxing match.