Not trying to derail the thread, but your friends studied JKD and Kempo. Were they by any chance taking part in Carter Hargrave's 'distance learning' videos? See link in my signature.Quote:
Primary Styleblack belt TaeKwonDo LocationSoap Lake, WA. Martial Arts ExperienceHold ranks in Kali Jukunedo, Manois System International, NSI.
Have study Off and On with Dan Insonato, Wally Jay and Gene LeBell. also train with the Late Punong Guro Edgar G. Sulite and Ted Lucaylucay.
Also - you list some big names in your 'off and on' training. Seminars perhaps?
In all, only Steve's posts are worthy of MABS posts.