Tien Shan Pai possible Bullshido - Long
I started training in "kung fu" when I was 17. Up to that point, I was the little sickly asthma kid that had a permanent note to get out of gym class. I tried cardio, weight lifting, and other exercises but nothing helped. I tried wrestling but quit in 7th grade because the chemicals used to clean the mats could make me have an attack and because there was only two people in the entire conference at my weight (72lbs). But when I started training in kung fu, I got stronger and healthier and eventually became the pillar of wholesome sexiness that I am today.
My shifu was Korean. His teacher's teacher left China either right before the Cultural revolution or at the beginning of it. He was from north eastern China and settled in Korea, where he started training students. My shifu was big on training and little on talk, plus there were many translation problems, so when I asked what style I was learning, he simply said "northern chinese boxing". That was fine for me because it was a great style and was very intense. That was 1994.
In 2001, I once again became curious about the style that I started with so I began digging. I found an old shirt with the symbols of the style on it. I emailed Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming and he identified it as Tien Shan Pai or "heavenly mountain style". Cool. I possibly had a name. But my research came to an abrupt end when I started acupuncture school because I needed to focus on studying. I also quit training altogether and focused on weight lifting because it was easier and I get good results from it (the previously mentioned sexiness).
A few months ago my old shifu contacted me again. So I thought about training again, especially once my son was born (the whole training my son thing kinda seemed cool). So I asked my shifu about the style to confirm if it was Tien Shan Pai, and he told me not to worry and just train. He was always found of saying that Americans were too busy worrying about insignificant details instead of sweating. Yeah, I think I helped him formulate that idea.
So what was I to do? Google. My shifu said it was an obscure style but I was able to find a little bit of information. So as I began to research I stumbled across a huge debate and possible bullshido. My first instinct was to determine if this was the style I learned. If not, then why bother? One of the people involved was doing a good job of rooting out the possible bullshido and I really don't have the extra time to **** off. But I ordered one of the only books on the style and determined yesterday that this was the style I learned (with some significant differences - other topic entirely). So now I am getting involved.
It started with an article from Inside Kung Fu in May 2004. (http://www.tienshanpai.org/tienshanp...eature_3.shtml). In the article, Grandmaster Huang gives detail over the history of the style as well as how he is the 64th generation heir. This article triggers a rebutal from Sean Miller, who responds to each point in the original article, including some valid points about the whole lineage (watch out _ing _hun) BS. This in turn yields another rebuttal. They are linked here: http://www.tienshanpai.org/tienshanp...response.shtml.
Then this discussion turned up as a thread at rotten tomatoes: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/s...d.php?t=378259
To summarize. Mr. Huang claimed among other things that he is the 64th generation master of Tien Shan Pai. Sean Miller replied by saying that this is nearly impossible because the Shaolin Temple is only at 34 generations. In addition, Mr. Huang is unable to document any of the lineage other than his immediate predecessors.
The point? None really, other than all of you research oriented people could help by bringing pressure to Mr. Huang to back up his claim. I do have some information that does contradict some of what Sean Miller has said since he points out that the style was unheard of in China, but my teacher's teacher's teacher (that's fun) was already mastered at that time in NE China. But that is really insignificant compared to the rest of the claims.