I didn't take it that way either. It just seems like something I expect to hear out of blue belts. How do I know? Guess what my "Blue" belts keep asking me?
Originally Posted by Mr.Miyagi
Grappling requires a myriad of different muscle groups, if the exercises are covering these muscle groups then you're gaining something from it.
Omega, are you looking at this as an instructor and applying that context to a beginner class completely instead of looking at it as in individual wanting to spend more time drilling techniques and doing more martial art specific type warm ups that lead into said technique?
I think you're contradicting yourself here. You don't see the benefit of "running" around doing 15 minutes of drills unless they have something to do what you're supposed to learn? You lost me. Let me see, 5 minutes to get your cardio up to a proper level, shrimping, dive bombers, side rocks, falls, sit outs.....I'm up to 15 minutes depending upon the size of the class. What am I missing here?
As a blue belt, I also don't see the benefit in running around for 15-25 minutes when I have only a 60 minute class to train in, our classes are split between beginner and advanced. I'd understand shrimping/escapes down the mat, or doing something more specific like mount escape drills, arm bar drills, passing drills, flow rolling etc, sit outs down the mat, pummelling--5 minutes max of doing non-specific technique style warm ups for anyone longer than 3 months in our classes.
I don't think I'll see my view on that change; maybe, if I had a class of 60 people and only had mat space for 40 people would it be more efficient to have people run around in a circle versus using space to have them warm up in something specific? Is this a view to cater to the lowest denominator for warm ups?
This is going to sound wrong but how old are you? Sincerely. So I can use the proper metaphor/analogy.
Because, otherwise, I'm completely lost as to the point you're trying to make, Omega. I know you guys have a heap of experience but saying stuff that implies "You'll get it in another 8 years" doesn't help us understand your point of view now, and I don't think it would be entirely difficult for us to grasp if you just laid it out. There could be something very important we're missing then, and would be awesome if you could point that out and help accelerate our training?
Not touching this one.
Ok, I knew we'd covered this before, the Jascul's thread in 2011 about not skipping warmup, and I feel the thread is going over multiple things from personal standpoints with time restraints for classes and requirements not really outlined so we can all be on the same page when talking about stuff.
That's something you've got to talk to your instructor with. Give me your answers to the above and then I'll go into more detail.
- Emphasis mine, so then, how does running around designed to help beginners learn to move on the ground? Can't we replace that with something else fun and ground centric for warm up for beginners onwards etc?