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Haha, don't worry about it--I think most people do expect the "it hardens your knuckles and toughens your skin" explanation when it comes to makiwara training. I will say that it does seem to do those things over time, but that is really just a by-product that happens to be useful in that it means you can hit things (including the makiwara) more often without tearing up your knuckles. Building structure is what it's all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Resonance10
The people who do it to toughen up their hands are the people who end up over-doing it and causing lasting damage to their hands. Higaonna Sensei is a bit of an oddity, because he actually uses and teaches makiwara use for the purpose I described, but it happens to have built up a great deal of callous for him anyway. I attribute that partially to being more dedicated with his makiwara training than most, and perhaps some genetic pre-disposition to callousing.
I used to train in GoJu and Uechi Ryu. We did some of that stuff, got the nice knuckle deposit buildup but our teacher kind of just stopped having us do it. People were slicing that callous off throughout their daily lives, kind of negating the work for it, plus it was just not worth it anymore. We still did body hardening though.
I really think that the claims of arthritis being caused by makiwara use are not accurate. I believe that if you already have arthritis, you certainly shouldn't be using the makiwara because your joints don't have the ability to absorb the shock properly, but you probably shouldn't be hitting a heavy bag without gloves if you have arthritis, either. Some people are genetically predisposed to get arthritis, and so they will likely get it whether they hit the makiwara or not. Anyone who overdoes their makiwara training--hitting too hard without working up to it, doing far too many repetitions, using an overly-resistant makiwara, or using a makiwara without enough padding--is going to damage their hands. A good example of this is Mas Oyama, the founder of Kyokushin, because he was known to overdo his makiwara training and by the time of his death he was mostly unable to write at all and said that he regretted it.
On the other hand, I know quite a few people just within the two systems of karate I have trained in who hit the makiwara on a consistent basis and don't have any trouble. I know quite a few more than that if you count people I have corresponded with online but never met in person. Just like anything else, the makiwara is dangerous if used (or built) improperly, but used properly it is an effective tool.
Yours truly has been using makiwara (or trees, if travelling and not near any dojo) since the 70's.
Not arm-punches...the whole body-torsion, aim-through-the-target deal.
No arthritis or other issues as a result.
Well the issue is not that makiwara WILL cause arthritis, it's if makiwara MAY cause arthritis.
I'm not saying that makiwara is bad it just that you should be careful training with it, I mean if someone like Oyama got arthritis (btw the 1st time I hear this story is in this thread) anyone can.
BTW my earlier post was meant for all bone & soft tissue strengthening exercises (mainly hitting rocks & stuff) not makiwara only.
Heavy bag , grip, hand & forearm training are my preferred methods, but I wouldn't mind to try makiwara in the future.