Quoted for truth.
Excellent fucking point. Its the unconscious script their following that is never understood by them to be a fascistic/dogmatic viewpoint. We ( the unbeliever/ignorant/unenlightened ones ) just don't know what they know.
Earlier, you made a specious misinformed comment based on your own lack of knowledge and you are talking about others, when you are in the same boat?
That's why people laugh at conspiracy theorists. Even when they are actually correct, they have built their points on silly suppositions that people say "well, he was BOUND to get something right!"
I probably should have said... Thinking about previous conversations and arguments with right wing types and conservative Christians - I have found it impossible to agree with some people on the facts of history. And on the other hand I have seen people change their opinions when presented with more information, but many people cannot, for instance, accept that the good old USA, the nation that's for liberty and freedom and all that stuff, is in any way tied to the slaughter of 300,000 Guatemalans. They simply cannot accept history.
I was sitting next to a nice Christian fellow on a flight to Hilo recently. He had the typical mind set of us good guys vs the evil muslims. When presented with the idea that the US was responsible for the radical muslim movement he rejected it vehemently, despite what many historians now consider an irrefutable series of events (CIA/Shah, Savak/ and so on).
Several years ago when the currents wars were starting, on Bullshido Vargas and another officer (whose name I've forgotten) and I had a lot of exchanges in threads. We started far apart but after awhile we tended to agree more and more. Specifically on subjects like the CIA involvement with the slaughter in Indonesia (300,000 to 1,000,000 estimated deaths mid 60's) were accepted by us as a given, no debate. People like Vargas are broad minded enough to accept and learn history and at least consider different interpretations.
Pat, I would agree that the US bears some responsibility for the directing of attacks by radical Muslims against America itself. It is not true that America is responsible for the movements themselves.Quote:
When presented with the idea that the US was responsible for the radical muslim movement he rejected it vehemently, despite what many historians now consider an irrefutable series of events (CIA/Shah, Savak/ and so on).
Islamic/Religious Fundamentalists by definition are going to find a fight, it just so happens that the land of the free represents everything they are threatened by.
These groups are as culpable as America in crimes against their own, limited only by their capacity. I would contend they are ideologically more damaging to their own people than America/Western 'democratic' 'capitalistic' ideals. I would also differentiate between Muslim and Islamist in this discussion.
Back to the OP topic: what if Prezzy One-Drop gets mistaken for a none-drop and gets dropped?