Originally Posted by Gruwel
If you have another read through the thread you'll find that there are very few references to Krav itself being BS.
Krav is unfortunately one of those styles that, while it certainly can be effective, is often peddled as t3h d34dly (translation: THE DEADLY) with instructors claiming lineage and expertise that they do not in fact possess. These instructors are often poorly qualified and will end up teaching dangerously just to look tough, and the students will learn ineffective techniques that could end up getting them killed. So the mention of Krav in conjunction with "live blades" immediately piqued people's suspicions. If you have a read around the boards you'll see that there are a number of styles that are treated this way.
Did he get these cuts during classes? To be honest, the main point of most of these posts is questioning the need for, and use, of live blades in training - whether against an instructor or a student. The reasons for this questioning have been stated very clearly and thoughtfully throughout the thread.
theAsthmatic asked, "How many scars from actual knife wounds does the instructor have at this point?" Quite a few actually but he is in fact still alive. Will you get cut during a real life situation? Most probably yes. Will a superficial cut kill you? No.
[QUOTE]As KravNoob pointed out, the idea is not to prevent any injuries, the idea is to survive with minimum injuries. Thanks for the video post It Is Fake, but no-one in that video were trained in any art to defend themselves against knife attacks. The one security guard did not get stabbed because, as per the narrators reasoning, he "grabbed the attackers arm". Well, that is exactly what they teach you, to grab AND CONTROL the attacker and his arm. "Well then I'll just switch the knife to the other hand". Sir, I'll like to see you try switch knife hands with my body in between your two hands while I immediately open a barrage of groin kicks. You'll be in so much pain that the last thing on your mind is switching hands.[QUOTE]
Maybe post some vids of the techniques you are talking about? Perhaps there's something missing in a text description that a video would clarify.
It's also important to keep in mind that just because you don't like some posters doesn't mean that they don't have a wealth of information to share. Der Auslander, for instance, is one of our very experienced knife okies and he or others may have techniques at his disposal that you don't.
Indeed you are allowed to bite, kick, scratch, go for the goolies and all those good things. I'd hasten to add that outside the ring you also don't stop short of breaking someone's bones. What most "it won't work outside the ring" peeps don't seem to realise is that the rules of fighting for sport (important this word: sport) restrict both the defender AND the attacker.
"Rather learn BJJ for locks", ag please! The only reason you cannot get out of triangle choke or arm bar in MMA is because of rules. You are not allowed to hit somebody in the groin, bite him, pick him up and slam him on his head, etc. All which is allowed in the street. When you fight someone in the street, you're most probably not going to be able to put him in a triangle choke and if you do that with me, I'll pick you up (or just walk forward over your neck) and slam your neck onto the tar and breaking it.
To be fair, the gun isn't always pointed at your head. In SA a gun course might actually be a wise supplement in all honesty.
"Rather do a shooting course and gun training for self defense". When exactly are you going to pull your gun from your holster under your jacket or shirt when an armed attacker is pointing a gun right at your head?
Don't get so worked up about the swearing. For some guys here it's like breathing, it just happens.... and they might die if they stop. There has actually been a lot of good quality, robust discussion in this thread (with and without the profanity), and you ignore that while attacking members here at your own peril.
It's quite obvious that this site is not here to give objective opinions to different forms of MA, but more a site for naming calling and bashing. I dare you to come to only one class, give all of your best moves and ask whatever questions you want and THEN come and give me your objective opinion about "you'll get killed on the street". If last said is true, then why does all the elite special units in the world, like the IDF special forces, train in some sort of hand-to-hand defense like Krav Maga and not in BJJ/MMA/MT?
There are almost no bullies in CT so, sadly, coming along to check it out isn't going to happen. You're right that the site is not here to give objective opinions about different forms of MA - it is here to investigate fraudulent claims (your school is obviously not one of those schools) and to rigorously test and question each school/style to see if it stands up to the challenge. Each member is free to have their own opinions and unfortunately for some posters here nobody is required to be polite about them.
It's clear that you're passionate about your school and having it challenged like this is uncomfortable for you. A piece of advice though? You'll serve the image of your school much better to keep your head and be systematic, the way KravNoob is, than to just attack the other members and tar them all with the ****-posting brush. Not only will that rub the genuine contributors up the wrong way, it would open you up to a storm of criticism and counter-attack that will be VERY uncomfortable indeed! If you can keep your head under fire you'll earn respect here.
Welcome to the boards boet.