Accident double post
Accident double post
Haven't read it properly yet, what I did read though (re 1989 case) was more talk about 'going' to tell 'just the truth' than actually addressing what happened. Which then just referenced the final verdict without explanation.
Yeah thats what I took from it. Typical avoidance or distraction of the topic
Thanks for the heads up on the other thread too
I'm glad that he addressed the community. I know that a lot of people are going to punch holes in anything he says at this point, but it took a lot of courage to come out and say what he did. No one likes their past hovering over them, and it sucks that this is how it had to come to light. I think everyone deserves a chance, and he has done a lot of good things for the BJJ / MMA Community. Once again a lot of folks may not agree, I DO NOT train at a Llyod Irvin school. In fact I instruct at a school at competes in his market. However, we all grow up we change and we learn from our mistakes. We have to look at the whole person in my opinion not the mistakes we made on a drunken night over 20 years ago.
In my humble opinion.
I'm all for letting something from twenty years ago be buried. But it must be done so with proper respect for that victim, with a full accounting of that crime. That is not what we see in Lloyd's letter today. This was an evasion, a sidestepping, an attempt to clear the air without making the necessary admissions.
As a side note, I think GracieMag's statement, which came out before Lloyd's, is shameful. It tosses in a token sentence of the tiniest sympathy for the victim (really, it should be victims plural--2013's and 1989's) before launching a full-throated defense of Lloyd Irvin, Mateo Moldanado, and Nick Schultz. Lucas Atalla and GracieMag are despicable. The best they can come up with is "well these two guys didn't get convicted yet...and Lloyd's been real swell with helping big tournaments...I don't know about what happened back in 1989...and gosh, he's never raped me...so he must be okay."
A drunken mistake? Really? Sorry, no I do not know what happened, but this is some blame shifting belittling bullshit.Quote:
We have to look at the whole person in my opinion not the mistakes we made on a drunken night over 20 years ago.
Or not as has happened.Quote:
You can't take it back but you can move forward from it.
A bunch of logical fallacies that have NOTHING to do with the rape(s).
Wait what? Where did he stand up and say "Yeah it was me?"Quote:
At least he stood up and said yeah it was me, you got me.
I think statements from anyone tied to Lloyd Irvin are suspect.
I think Ryan Hall's letter, what I've seen from his team at competitions, his shady marketing, and the 1989 case all point to a slime ball at the head of a personality cult at best.
Even in his apology note he couldn't help but make it about "haterz trying to keep me down". He's a schemer and so focused on promoting anything he does.
The Lloyd Irvin apologists really need to take a hard look at themselves and the situation.
"Originally Posted by Ryan Hall
Does it follow logically that one is “a great guy” or a “good man who helps people” for delivering a product he was paid (financially or otherwise) to deliver while simultaneously standing center stage and accepting praise for his actions?How does the use of ill-gotten influence to create a pulpit from which to shower gifts in an effort to gain favor with the trusting make one the modern-day equivalent of Robin Hood? I would submit in both cases that it does not. Amoral people in positions of influence are always adept at giving hand outs—it keeps
the good guys in check because they’ve been bought and paid for."
Face it the guy is a piece of **** who 23 years ago peddled the "If the dick is soft, let me off" defense.