Re: Wing Chun and Aikido
I am about half way between San Francisco and Sacramento. I wouldn't want to get into some bullshido death match, hahaha but I like training with different people and learning new things. I have an 800sqft workshop I am matting trying to get some of my co-workers over for some training. I haven't been training for almost a year due to financial difficulties, and I am getting back into things now we are getting back on our feet. If you are near my area, I would like to make a new friend and training partner.
Based on the use of force guidelines, here in florida. The first step is officer presence. The next step is communication. Then mechanical restraints. ect. Aikido would not be good training for learning how to walk around. Walking around is good enough training for that.
But the rest of your argument is that it takes too long to learn aikido to be able to train for it in the academy. No argument with that. So why not learn some stuff that is quick to learn and quick to apply? You do realize that boxing is not just learning how to punch someone right? There is a lot more into it like footwork, distancing, spacing, reacting to an incoming threat. A lot of stuff that is directly aplicable to LEO combatives. What does Aikido have, that is quick to learn and apply? Not much you say? So be it.
Originally Posted by Vieux Normand
Re: Wing Chun and Aikido
Here in California, Peace Officer Standards of Training has an arrest and control module, and that module utilizes the Koga method. The Koga System was founded by Robert Koga.
In the academy, I recognized the Aikido in the Koga method and the instructors would only say the curriculum was Aikido based. With our department we were told we were only learning this for POST certification and that these techniques were not departmentally approved. The techniques taught, weren't Aikido, they Aikido based but changed to be learned or as I like to say mimicked, in a class or two. Since our department didn't approve any particular control hold at the time, except for the "running wrist hook" which utilized the side-handle baton, not a great deal of time was spent drilling these techniques to be actually useful. Literally we spent one day on them with a test at the end for POST certification. Most could mimic the actions for certification, but that's different than application of a technique.
Wing Chun and Aikido
We spent 8 hours a day, two days a week for 8 weeks doing defensive tactics. We started with boxing with knees and roundhouse kicks, then some judo throws, knife fighting which was ok, some ground fighting, then wrist locks which were used for bent wrist escort into takedown into cuffing.
It was better than what my brother got in Alabama which was PPCT, and better than what my uncle got in the coastguard and he was a boarding crew member.
Spending a few years in bar districts, watching cops attempt physical interventions/takedowns/controls, is the surest way to learn why they have duty-belts full of toys. With very, very few exceptions, they'd be baton-assraped without their toys.
On a depressingly-regular basis, we'd turn violent nightclub-expulsees over to cops once the latter asked us to...only to have to subdue the expulsees again when the cops lost control of them.
At most places, you have your select people on each shift that are good at fighting. Those people train outside of work. They are the ones you call on to respond when you think there is going to be problems. Everyone else just hopes nothing is going to happen. They spend their off time drinking, playing video games, and watching TV.
I've always wondered--as have other club security--whether the cops sent to nightclub districts around closing time are:
1)Noobs being tested to see if they really want to continue to be cops,
2)Cops who pissed off some brass and have been relegated.
My excuse for falling back on nightclub security, when there was no better employment readily available, is that I'm basically an idiot. I'm not sure what the cops' excuse is for pulling club-district duty.
Here it is called moon-lighting. You do that because you need the extra money. Once you no longer care about the extra money, you don't do those jobs any more. Yeah, it's usually the new cocks that try to get that duty because they want to be seen out in public to pick up chicks, and they haven't got any pay raises or promotions and are still sitting on the bottom of the pay scale. The more senior officers get first pick, and usually take the bank duty or sitting at a construction site reading a book.
In my job, many of my colleagues have have no martial arts experience outside of work, and have received no close quarter combat instruction as part of their job-training whatsoever.
I on the other hand have found my previous Aikido training to be perfectly adequate. Certainly that is the case for most of the day-to-day occurrences here, and on a few cases, even described as overkill.
It is probably pertinent to point out however, that I am a designer at a print company.