Yep, they sic attack dogs against civil-rights protestors peacefully marching on bridges ev-a-ree time. Oh wait..../tu quoque.
Originally Posted by Mr. Machette
Umm, from where I am, that's pretty easy, thanks.
See Spain, Itally, France.
Good thing, 'cause "democratic" and "socialist" are oxymoronic from my perspective. Outside of the cities, France is very conservative. Ditto much of Europe. During my visits to west-o'-the-pond, I've found my views more conservative than those of a great many North Americans, despite the numbers of them who, upon hearing I'm European, automatically (and hilariously) assume I'm some sort of Marxist.
Not a democratic socialist utopia of understanding and enlightenment.
This behaviour on the part of politicians is nothing new...except perhaps in your country. In older nations, such is a matter of record. We ignore it.
2) I am not David Ickle. I'm not even Alex Jones. The elite are not lizards (I hope?) but they are dangerously out of touch and are now threatening our basic freedoms of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness via over criminalisation. This applies to far more mundane pursuits than firearms ownership BTW.
Many thanks for the link. I've already read Philips, and the quote is well-known. I was implying that, instead of getting all hyped up about the doings of politicians, one can either turf them from office (by whatever means) or just don't pay any attention to them whatsoever.
3) "Eternal vigilence is the price of liberty" - Wendell Philips, who you would call "paranoid". The rest of the quote from his speech is pretty cool too. Think you'd dig it:
But...but TRAITORS are trying to imprison you!!! How can you say there's no war? What kind of patriot are you?
4) There is no war on right now. Why would I want to go on a suicide mission that would only lend credibility to the states increasingly disturbing paranoia? This brings us to...
Dude, I'm identitaire, a far-right designation which very likely places me on every watch-list in the EU. That's how easy it is. Ask me if I give a half a ****.
What I'm up to speed on are the impossible logistics of trying to disarm every civilian in such a large area. They just...can't...do it.
No, they will NOT be arming any civilians. They most cerainly want every pleb dissarmed ASAP
If you're not up to speed on the severity of the situation you should not be arguing this subject.
I can offer opinions on anything I want, and of you don't like it, that's yours to deal with. The likelihood that reprimanding or imprisoning every suddenly-illegal weapon-owner across such a vast land is within the logistical capability of a government is virtually nil. They cannot do it.
5)You wan't to be a fellon that's fine. But you're telling me basically, that instead of fighting to preserve our rights we should risk ten years in supermax and a $250,000 fine for possesing things we legally purchased. Like I said, mind your own effing business!
They do not have the capability of ruining that many lives without significant cooperation from the citizenry in question.
6) They can't round up every gun. But they can ruin the lives of millions trying. That's what we don't want to see happen, and that scenario is what has some people fighting mad already.
7)Arms are in the hands of the populace today. There are those who are actively trying to take them away tomorrow.
They don't have the resources.
Should that happen we would not have the power to defend amendments 4-9 of the BOR.
What is slowing things down are complex logistics and the possibility that those trying to pull this off might get voted out of office...and not by Bushmasters.
These are the very ones actively being stomped on by congress and the executive branch since 9/11/2001, with increasing severity and abusiveness. The ONLY thing slowing dow the march of fascism is the fact that we can fight back, so they must take baby steps.
It's "putsch". You're welcome.
But they are growing impatient, hence the big push (pusch?)...
So why the Great Fear of being disarmed by such a relatively-weak government?
8) "Han Exceptionalism" (of a sort) is what forced the revolution that birthed this nation to begin with. That revolution BTW was fought by only 3% of the people. Gun owners now account for at least 33% of the U.S. How good of an idea would it be to poke that hornets nest? Just saying...
Empires rise. Just as surely, they fall. If you'd educated yourself--or if you came from an older nation--you'd know this simple fact.
9)China plans 50-100 years ahead. When they say they are looking to invade, they are talking about in my childrens lifetime. You're looking at China 2013. China is looking ahead to 2060. That threat is very, VERY real. They don't even try to hide it. They speak of it openly. EDJUCATE YOURSELF!
Then you understand my point re: how easy it is to procure black-markey weaponry, in Europe or anywhere else on the planet. The links between those in power and certain types of merchants is nothing new.
10) Cartels get their weapons from the very organs of state which would confiscate our own.
So, the government is actively arming militarized gangs which make daily incursions across our borders killing civilians on both sides, while simultaneously pushing to take away our ability to defend ourselves from those militarized gangs. (Which control organized crime networks throughout the country)
See what I mean by "treason"?
"Applied via force of arms" by who? You know as well as I do that those in power will simply interpret constitutional writings to their advantage.
11)Amendment number two means that checks an ballances will be applied via force of arms if necesary. For some reason it appears that some in power would like to take it that far.
The Nazis were elected via, among other things, scaring the German populace about the growing communist threat and theories about "racial undesirables".
12) The Weimar comparisson had to do with the loss of liberty, privacy and basic human rights in an emerging police state. Watching our nation march in lockstep towards similar ends is well, "disturbing".
Long as I don't have to listen to any autotune.
13)I like to go down in nightclubs but to each their own...
Where I'm from, the reverse is also true.
14)The will of the people is wholly irrelevant to the powers that be.
Aw c'mon--it's a business opportunity. Sell arms, sell rounds, sell safety courses.
So bad that even fence sitting moderates are starting to take notice and buy rifles and survival grub. It's kind of scary, really.
Sure, captain politically-correct. On what topic?
15)The third world comment was about our deteriorating standards of living and the loss of human rights, but go on Captain Racist!
Meh. That's a problem for city-folk.
16)I specifically asked that question because it as repetitious and fallacious as the questions you are asking me regarding the preservation and exercise of natural rights. You might as well ask me why I support municipal sewer systems.
Better read that again. I specifically referred to hiking on your side of the pond. Been everywhere from northern Ontario to the Yukon. The jerky in Normandy's nature parks isn't the best idea in any case: the wild boar mass at least twice a person's weight, and that's just the immature ones.
Just out of curriosity, WTH kind of bears do you have in Normandy that a 12 gauge isn't enough BOOM for them? Remind me never to carry jerky in your nature parks! YEESH!