Powers in Europe learned, over the centuries, that it would be useless to deny a mass uprising. A written principal--either empowering or denying such--is merely words on paper and will promote or prevent nothing when provocation for an uprising is sufficient.
Originally Posted by Mr. Machette
The way you're describing DC's traitorous elites, you seem to think they were born of Ailen-facehugger eggs. They merely illustrate the difference between fine written political principals (such as constitutional amendments) and the politicians who subvert them. Be of good cheer: this malaise is not unique to the United States.
You seem to think they would behave as if they were.
Well, then, if things are going in such a terrible direction, what are the pickup-truck militias waiting for? Ain't it time to reverse the outrage of 1864? Can the populace overthrow their would-be tyrants? Prove it. Seize them nightmare weapons!
Nor is ours. Some of the biggest stockpiles of nightmare stuff on the planet are but a stones throw from my front door. It ain't pretty and it ain't terribly well guraded either.
Real-world words on real-world paper. The fall of the Soviet Union and the Balkan conflict resulted in a glut of arms on Europe's black market. For those who wanted (and still want) assault weapons, they are available--and those who want them don't bother worrying about whether they'll get permission from governments in the form or constitutional amendments or whatever. Obedience to authority has never been a strong suit of Western Europe. More, authorities (some of whom have lucrative relationships with black-marketeers) tend to look the other way when certain folk (far-rightists like yours-truly, for instance) get their hands on juicy hardware, raising the alarm only when jihadists go looking for same.
Official enumeration isn't a practical "real world" difference?
Nobody is confused--except those think having something in writing guarantees anything. If it's written, it can be subverted--just ask your DC "traitors"--and then it's just a matter of going to the black market to obtain whatever you could once get that politicians subverted.
Ours IS written down so nobody can get confused when stupid conversations like this pop up.
You appeared to refer to the disarming of an entire populace. I pointed out that the portion of the populace which supported an empowered movement of any type tends to get hired rather than disarmed.
Are you even trying to make a point here? The class to be subjugated was first dissarmed. If you agree then why even try to argue?
I can put into writing that the craters of the moon exist. In practical terms, so what?
It does however preserve and prove it's existence.
Any large-enough country divides legislative power into different levels. Another poster pointed out that official armed power in the US is divided by level. So what? If the smallest local police force has trouble with a pickup-truck militia, they'll just call in more powerful official backup, and so on until the trouble is dealt with. One might call this "the Waco effect".
It has to do with the way laws work here. Some are broad federal laws that everybody must follow (child porn is illegal in all states for example...)
Some are states laws that only aply in that teritory. ( California's bizzare and convoluted firearms regulations for instance.)
Some are local ordinance. (You can open carry a Katana in Orgeon but not in the Portland city park down the street.)
There are notable small areas where firearms ownership is mandatory. They have as little crime as Switzerland. (Less actually) Go figure?
'Cause the last one worked out really well for the rebels, didn't it?
Dude, Drudge Report has "civil war" splashed across their main page right now.
...which is only a concern for those who give a **** about what the State thinks of them. Since the population of the US is so mightily-armed, and can grab poorly guarded nightmare stockpiles at will, stop whining and just crush the bastards. Or ignore them and do whatever you want regardless of what they think (which is my approach, but let's not digress).
A senator just introduced a bill that would make more than half the population of the U.S. de-facto criminals and enemies of the state.
When did I suggest any such "solution"?
Yeah bro, I'm sacred as hell for the direction things are going and I don't think your solution of "roll over and do what the man with the gun says" is a great idea given the numerous historical precedents.
That I knew the difference between vigilance and paranoia.
What's that you said about vigilance?
If I wish to keep my tools, I will do so--legally or otherwise. Whether I keep them does not depend on government permission. I'm not that obedient.
Great, how would you feel if you were denied your tools?
...and how, in practical terms, do you imagine they can achieve this? They can't do it in Europe (hence the looking-the-other-way approach to the back market); how do you imagine legislators might succeed in the US?
They are looking to ban lever actions Vieux. LEVER ACTIONS. This is not about safety, this is about DOMINION. Period.
They can wish all they want. If the firepower is in the hands of the populace, you can deal with them (anything from voting them out on up) or ignore them...or just keep on complaining about it, I suppose.
I see them as tools. The job they are supposed to perform is sacred to us. (Preservation of liberty) There are those in power who wish to deny us the ability to do that job.
In facdt, the kind of social ideas they have are downright dystopian. Kafkaesque. Outlawing large sodas and such. Making it illegal to own items not produced by companies they are invested in and other conflicts of interest. Kleptocratic bullshit is what it is!
Han exceptionalism is nothing new. Peoples who claim "exceptionalism" for themselves tend to make grand claims and attempt land-grabs. From Joshua's attack on Canaan to the Roman Empire, from the Arab empire to the British one. As for China, the number of Bushmasters in pickup-truck militia hands won't matter much unless you believe in the whole "WOLVERINES!" fairy-tale. Defensive measures in such a case will be carried out a somewhat bigger scale. Exceptionalsm, wherever it happens, is just another way of cheering for the home team. Just about everyone, the world over, does it. A people who didn't consider itself "special" in some way...that would be exceptional.
Or maybe I'm just being "vigilant" and paying attention to the emerging world power that openly discusses it's intent to annex the whole Pacific rim. (That would include my home BTW.)
It might be that, one day, the Chinese will have the capacity to demand that the US repay its astronomically-sized debt to China? Not to worry. Won't be for a while yet.
Just out of curiosity, where do these cartels get their weapons?
Maybe I'm paying attention to the constant armed incursions by drug cartels into U.S. teritory. (I have family in Mexico BTW. This is about paramilitary forces running wild. It has nothing to do with my Grandpa Jaime. You think I have a problem with "Mexicans". lol Your talking to one, dude.)
Oh, never mind. I'll just look it up.
But...but what about those checks and balances you mentioned? You don't mean to imply that they're just...abstractions on paper?!!?!?
Maybe I'm paying attention when Congress enacts laws which gut the constitutions most important protections (the ones establishing our justice system BTW, not the gun thing...).
Maybe I'm paying attention when our President does the same thing.
Weimar Germany was the aftermath of a resounding military defeat. What is the parallel here? Viet Nam? The fact that the Taliban remain undefeated?
Maybe, just maybe, I don't like watching our country go down the same road as Weimar Germany.
What occurred after Weimar was marked by a rearmament of sizable sections of the population. Up until their invasion of Russia, the Nazis had a number of lucrative business partnerships with the US (just ask IBM, among others). Again, what is the parallel?
Maybe I'm aware of several branches of my family tree that were "pruned" in the 40's because of that little fiasco.
Going down in battle is the best way to go--but that's just according to my faith. Don't know about yours.
Maybe I'd rather die fighting than stand idly by and watch it happen again.
That's the spirit...and let's hope your vote and voice are more important to these luminaries than their other vested interests.
As the very effing least, I will excersise my rights to vote and contact my representatives as well as stand in protest against what I see as violations of the social compact between us and our elected REPRESENTATIVES.
Normandy's not that popular a destination for third-world types. Too cold. So...nope, not planning on learning Arabic any time soon. If planned on living in Reconquistan, I'd be working on my Espanol for sure.
Welcome to the 21st century Vieux. I don't want to see my country turned into a third world cess pool. How bout you? You want to see that happen where you live?
After hearing that question from so many urbanites--from both sides of the Atlantic--do I really need to hear it one more time? Sheesh!
What do you need a 10 guage for? 12 or even 20 would work just fine on any game you wish to hunt. Why the overkill? Nobody needs a 10 gauge to hunt with. What are you, some kind of gun nut?
In any case, when wilderness hiking on your side of the pond, I found the 10-ga. scared off more bears than a 12. Rifles, of course, don't even register with them.
Cheers and good luck.