The "arm the teachers" proponents also need to take into account that a majority of Americans choose not to own guns, and it isn't at all clear why anyone should think that teachers in general want to carry firearms. No doubt it varies a lot by region and other factors, but most of the grade school teachers near my home seem to be very anti-gun.
Further, the chance that large numbers of guns in the schools not in the control of trained, experienced professionals will lead to accidental shootings, gun thefts by students, use of the guns by teachers in confrontations with students, or other problems has to be taken into account. And as Arthur L. Kellermann (M.D., M.P.H.), et al., found in their study, "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," published in the Journal of Trauma 45 (1998): 263-267, in their sample set, among people who injured or killed someone with a gun that they kept in their home, 48% of the shootings were attempted or successful suicides, 30% were homicides, attempted homicides, or assaults with a deadly weapon, 18% were accidental shootings, and 4% were self-defense or justifiable homicides or attempted homicides. Now, teachers may be more responsible than the average gun owner (or may not be), but what data I can find does not encourage me that putting more guns into schools would make them any safer.
Another thing, people here think that more guns on the streets can prevent killings etc. What are the actual stats about crimes being prevented by armed by passers? Is it a real claim?
Crime is a more complex issue than 'gun control' vs 'gun freedom'.
Get the data for the "guns in schools" especially public ones because I have never seen that data.
A couple things from the news coverage that are catching my attention.
First, it's early and the proposed legislation could very possibly change, but as it stands now, the **** Feinstein's bill would ban the sale of nearly all semiautomatic weapons. That's fucking insane and would be a complete slap in the face to anyone who owns a weapon for self defense purposes. It would also be a crushing blow to the firearms industry in this country, which is one of the few healthy industries in the nation. Great idea to cripple a thriving industry in the middle of shaky economic times.
Second - it never ceases to amaze me how the media can allow their reporting to be completely emotion based with no regard for reality and no attention to detail. Virtually all the reporting is about what Obama would support and what Cuntstein's bill says and Joe Biden heading efforts and a couple Democrat senators who say they're open to the idea of gun control.
The stories that matter are almost nowhere to be found. The only real question that matters here is if Republicans in the House of Representatives can be swayed to vote in favor of gun control legislation. If not, any efforts for more gun control are dead in the water before they even start. And the likelihood of that happening is extremely low, in my opinion. But you have to look hard to find any of that type of discussion.
When the assault weapons ban was passed in 1994 the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate and we had a Democrat President. And even then, the Democrats had to use heavy party discipline to push it through. AND the Democrats subsequently got their asses handed to them in the next round of Congressional elections. The climate may have changed enough to get some Democrats to change their stance, but good luck with the Republicans in the House.
You wrote about killing a mob and when responded to, the responder was attacked for not getting your trolling (or something to that effect). Therefore you win if taken seriously, win if not, the logical response being countered either way.
So what are the self-defense value in a 30 clip magazine? Taking out a lynch mob circa 1935 Alabama? Please tell me something good, beneficial, that automatics, held by civilians, have done.
The problem is that non-anecdotal evidence on successful use of guns for self-defense is hard to find. I searched for more recent and more extensive studies in the public health literature before I posted. I'd be very interested in seeing more complete information.