you're still acting like an ignorant tool, you might want to work on that.
ok, getting back to the original topic... are there any Judoka out there that are totally on board with the increased restrictions on the legs? I just think it really stinks and is bad for the sport.
I'm not convinced that a total ban on hand-to-leg attacks will be permanent (yet). Certainly it would make refereeing easier (a total ban), removing ambiguity in hand to leg attacks. But Judo is for the judoka, not the referees.
To me, just penalizing "bad" posture should have been enough to solve the original problem, but even with only 3-5 seconds (an effing eternity in a fast paced match), a diving "safe attack" at the legs could be made, and in some cases a score resulted, especially with the reduced standard for ippon.
Wait and see is about all we can do at this point.
REgarding all the stuff about grip fighting, self defense, etc., the main thing is that if you study Judo long enough and internalize the core principles, gripping the clothing becomes really not necessary, especially in non-judo situations. The main problem with Judo as SD, and I mean civilian unarmed SD, not LEO DT, military, etc., is the lack of striking traiing, mainly how to AVOID getting hit...developing the reactions to slip, block, etc blows.
My experience with striking training was that it took a while to develop those reactions. AS I had been doing Judo for many years at the time, it was easy to use the Judo I knew, harder to avoid getting socked in the nose and elsewhere. Once I developed (and I've lost that training due to misuse, BTW) the reactions, it was hard NOT to start throwing people in sparring, because the striking movements led pretty naturally to closing and throwing.
So the whole issue of having to grip clothing to throw is moot for anyone who can really do Judo. The gripping of clothing is really a distraction/red herring.
During randori tonight:
- Partner got a high collar grip, I strip it with two hands. Curses.
- I hit kouchigari, but need to grab their ankle to finish it. Damn.
- I hit a legit omoplata sweep on a third (?) dan who's as big as a bear and twice as strong. This had nothing to do with the rule changes, but it was awesome.
What I'm saying is that I do not think these rule changes will go well for 1point2. However, I agree 100% with NeilG with regards to the positive changes: bigger throws for ippon, and you can't roll out of bounds to escape my chokes, pins, and armbars.
A lot of guys go for the high collar (setting the "power hand" in some places) first. Which is not so bad if they do not get another hand on you first or control of the other side of your body along with the high collar grip.
The ankle grabbing stuff I struggled with for sure, as Kouchi Gari was a specialty of mine and taking the ankle or knee was often a big part of the sequence. If you are going to compete, and the rules really end up with an all out ban on hand to lower body, you'll have to just train without the hand assist until you quit doing it.
I'm jonesing to train, think I'll head to the dojo to work out with the junior class tonight, senior class tomorrow.
I'm new enough to Judo (I started late 2011) that I came into it when leg attacks were already restricted (based on the 2010 rules). That being said, I really don't like the idea of ANY attack below the belt (with the hands) being a hansoku-make. Not only did my school engage in a lot of training with various combinations using leg grabs, there are a couple students who really focused on that as sort of their go-to strategy. I just don't like the idea of restricting the number of strategies that one can focus on when training.
The two-handed gripping rule especially made my coach furious, as we devoted a lot of time to grip-training and two handed grip-removals were a fairly large part of that. Seeing that a couple of the responses in this thread have said that using to hands to remove a grip is pretty risky, that one might actually be for the best. I'm not sure, I'm not really at a level where I could say.
I agree wholeheartedly with the new osaekomi rules. I'm a fairly thin/light guy, and osaekomi is easily the hardest way for me to win in newaza.
There are some rules I realy like, a few I don't. But it realy doesn't matter, we are already working on grips and the new rules.
Can anyone confirm if there is an organisation trying to reintroduce all techniques as it was before changes for the 1964 Olympics?