both flags were in use, the armed forces flew the rising sun flag. the rising sun as a symbol has been around longer than since the meiji restoration by the way.
Originally Posted by han090
what symbol, do you mean the swastika? you need to write more clearly if you want to make a point.
The Nazi party had that symbol, but they ALSO had the german flag.
the swastika was the symbol of the nazi party, not the army. the german flag *was* the flag of the army.
In the case of the German the flag was around long before the nazi party went invading. In the case of the Union Flag, it actually came about AFTER they did their invading. Like as an Irish person, I'm at times a bit iffy on the flag, but the flag wasn't made until long after they colonised Ireland.
yo do know that the irish aren't the only ones to take issue with the british empire and the union jack, right?
what are you talking about, you're not making a lot of sense here, is english your first language?
US flag, it was sort of a bit of both (Though, really the US flag shouldn't have anything to do with anything before c1776), but again, it was used to represent the country, and not the regime.
atrocities were committed by the US army under the US flag. many people find the US flag offensive. my comparison makes perfect sense.
this has been discussed before. japan did terrible things (as did the UK and the US) so, what's your point?
The Imperial Japanese Army became the official army 1871. And they spent the time period between that and world war 2 invading people a lot and crushing rebellions. While the imperialism certainly got much much worse in WWII, it didn't just begin then. It began with Meiji restoration, and the adoption of a national army in 1871, followed relatively shortly by the invasion of Taiwan in 1874. Sure, it took the Japense longer, but they had less of the benefits of industrialisation when they started then the nazi party did in 1920.
huh? that makes no sense, but we have already discussed the fact that the rising sun is much more similar to the *iron cross* than the swastika.
Again, the rising sun symbol is more like the swastika: it was used to represent violent oppressive invading tyranny. But it was also used both before and after by other people who had nothing to do with it, and for reasons completely unrelated reasons.
AFAIK we have no idea what GSP feels about it, as only hayabusa has made a statement.
Now, I think it's stupid to say that because GSP used the symbol, HE is an asshole. He's just ignorant of the associations and/or is of the belief that the symbol has moved past its associations with that time period.
you haven't proven a damn thing. i said that wearing the rising sun is exactly as questionable as wearing the US or UK flag, as all three flags offend people because and all three flags were flown by armies in times of war who did horrible things.
And I also know you've already mentioned that the swastika can be inoffensive, depending on the context, so I'm not looking to prove you wrong on that or anything. Just making the point that it's a more appropriate comparison than the US or UK flag.
you need to work on how to build a proper argument, you haven't convinced me of anything.
So while I agree this falls into the category of semiotics changing, and people being able to believe anything they want, I disagree that there is no difference between the rising sun flag, and the flags of the US and UK.