Weird, what information do you want?
Originally Posted by Internet-fu
No, they mock the logical fallacy created when someone says "MMA is for the ring my art is for the street." That type of thinking needs to be ridiculed.
I see people mocking the idea that things being workable on the street is important. I can see why some people might use that as a dodge if they don't want to step in the ring. But the ridicule and "Appeal to mockery" fallacy of it is basically a psychological tactic and not a logical one.
Awesome use of rhetoric, but you need to tie it to your reasoning in a better fashion.
I did my time growing up in a neighborhood with a lot of racially motivated violence. And a lot of drug/gang oriented violence. I have been sent to the hospital and I have sent people to the hospital. I am no more or less tough then anyone else who was brought up in that situation.
See, this right here is what happens and why people get mocked. The old saying goes, if you can't beat one, you are not beating multiples.
I am currently taking BJJ and I enjoy it but even my instructor was very honest about the limitations of BJJ in a streetfighting situation. However even amidst those limitations I see serious benefits for what I am learning. Multiple opponent situations in particular are not a time I want to be on the ground. But having been in a lot of these myself I know that knowledge of what to do when one of the multiple opponents gets you there is valuable. It's just not a full picture.
It doesn't work the way many posting Chunners claim.
I am also looking for a striking style to augment this. But I see a lot of controversy about this as far as what works and what doesn't. I was fond of Wing Chun and Jun Fan but people are suggesting that Chi Sao does not work.
If you constantly teach to the variables, your art begins to fail. If I teach you how to punch and kick correctly, you'll be able to adapt to many situations.
I have been contemplating this for some time and I will probably start another thread about it as it is not relevant to the internet trolling thing. But there are so many variables to consider in many of the things that I have seen different stylists take as absolutes that it is hard to trust "opinions".
Then take a few writing courses and learn how to post effectively not in an incendiary fashion. The insults fly because people, who practice non-traditional arts, have a problem expressing their opinions without vehemence.
This is why I hesitate to talk about it here. When people start slinging insults and all that they disengage the brain and engage the ego. Some people get very emotionally attached to their view and they will viciously defend it even long after logic has flown out the window.
See, if this was in another forum you'd be getting insulted. You have passively insulted this board, implied that it was full of trolls and that all the information is buried in trash. There are other webforums that will allow your beliefs to go unchallenged.
I prefer to exchange in an environment when everyone's collective goal is for everyone else to excel. Not just to earn mad troll points.
If you feel uncomfortable that is fine. This website was created to test your preconceived notions and bust FRAUDS.
For example, how many years did you practice Wing Chun? If none, this is a preconceived notion:
Some people do help, other do not and that is the way of the real world outside of the internet.
But I see a lot of controversy about this as far as what works and what doesn't. I was fond of Wing Chun and Jun Fan but people are suggesting that Chi Sao does not work.