They should. I identify some of the problems with bullshido, in it—fanboys and Punch Bowl Monitor syndrome.
Originally Posted by Matt Phillips
Yes, I'm sure tons of people come to bullshido to read training logs. See, here's what you don't get, fanboy—I don't need the hosannas of high school students to train. I don't need to be the hero of some story—Old Fart Vs Young Brat: Gong Sau for the Soul of Bullshido—to put down a cigarette (I've never smoked) and lose some weight. I don't need to clutch some extremely minor compliment from an experienced martial artist to my bosom and then announce it publicly to keep going.
People do not keep training logs,
Who does attend TDs? Were there, what, eight people at the last mega?
Given your gong sau, that makes two of us.
Actually, I have shown video. Hilarious video, exfiltrated from the bottom barrel of the push-hands tournament circuit.
Surely you can find jerk-off material without my assistance.
or even pictures of training...
Are you familiar with the psychological term "projection"?
and then spend years developing and refining the ability to generate internet smackdown out of anything.
So, you don't know the difference between sparring and fighting, eh? This is hilarious though—you're an Apex Fanboy. You met this guy, that guy, trained with that one and this one, played here and sparred there! I'm a Big Deal! And...to what end, fanny?
I have sparred with, trained with, trained under or fought literally dozens of people from this site
It's not hard to find people to train with or under—provided one isn't doing some obscure art. It's not hard to spar with people. Gosh, I've pushed with champions, high-level disciples, United States Marines, strangers wandering by who wanted to see what we were doing, old ladies who like to pinch, homeless drug-dealers, etc. If I wanted to try rolling with a low-level BJJ guy I'd go to my friend Will and say, "Let's try some of that rolling again." If I wanted to roll with a high-level BJJ guy I'd go to the Gracie gym a mile from my house and say, "Hello, can I join the open mat?" These are trivial things. Only a fanboy would think that merely training with some people or sparring with them is a big deal in and of itself.
That's why I responded, God knows how many pages ago, with something like "Just like an enthusiastic old lady in the park who'll push hands with anyone!" when you proclaimed that you'd roll with anyone. Well, if someone is practicing an art in which the sparring platform is called rolling, why not? Who, exactly, wouldn't take the opportunity to roll/push/box/spar/whatever with a high-level person? It's not like high-level people go around routinely grievously injuring people in a spar. Who would take the opportunity: serious players, hobbyists, and fanboys looking to fill the pages of their mental scrapbooks. Guess which category you're in?
Speaking of a record of training, I had you pegged as a fanboy ages ago, thanks to this little hissy fit:
You know, I used to suck monkey balls at front rolls too! Now I only suck turtle balls! You know what I do to suck less? I practice front rolls every day. You know what you did? Whined publicly about how unfairly you were treated by some crude ethnic stereotype who didn't want you to break your fat neck.
Yup. Truth hurts, don't it? I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm hiding though. Damn son, I train outside. I attend two different push-hands clubs, both freely open to anyone who wanders by. I've given out the phone number to the gym I go to by my workplace for lunch five days a week—find it, come on by, and join me in deadlifts and p'eng drills and somersaults any time, fanny!
; I've been filmed, photographed and critiqued; I maintain a detailed log showing every thing I have done and not done, and I get called "fanboy" by someone who hides behind a keyboard day after day refining this cherished style of smackdown.
What I haven't done is use Bullshido as a support group and a way to get fancy martial artists to talk to me! To meee!
Oh, is this the bit where the fanboy namedrops an advanced martial artist member in the hope that he'll swoop in and flex a muscle or two on fanny's behalf? Well gosh, it is!
If I am a fanboy then what does that make Rivington? For all this exquisite arguing over my qualification to critique others, I made sure to double check my assessment with qualified people like Sambosteve, and every single person that viewed the footage in question had essentially the same assessment as my own.
Anyway, re: sambosteve and what he might have been told by you or told you-quote or STFU.
Quote or STFU.
The entire argument is moot. Not only did numerous qualified individuals all reach the same conclusion I did, but Steve posted his assessment numerous times all over that thread.
The difference is, of course, that you can't tell the difference between someone who was simply bad (Zendo) and someone who was some sort of lying snake in the grass who had something to hide (Imaginary Zendo). Saying that sambosteve or some grandmaster on Facebook also said Zendo was bad has nothing to do with your quasi-investigation of Zendo, your inability to keep what he actually said about his training straight, and your puffed-up vision of yourself as an investigator neck-deep in a hard-assed investigator culture mere mortals like me can't possibly understand. You occasionally run gifs of diplomas through a filter, fanny, we're not talking about your experience in 'Nam here.
Even if I am not competent, he is, and the critique loses no validity. I ALWAYS check my skills assessments against Sambosteve's expert eye. That is how I trained myself to spot this stuff in the first place. I know I'm not an advanced player, and always engage qualified people when I'm looking at footage for skill level.
Nice selectivity. You forgot the bit where you tried to change your MMA gong sau into a grappling match (because you wandered in to grappling range three seconds in) and then tried to say that I used your grappling to critique your ability to judge kickboxing.
For those in the peanut gallery, see if you can follow this:
In fact, what happened, is that I pointed out you had insufficient training to determine what someone with 600 hours of training—in, as I already listed before, both grappling and kickboxing styles—looks like. And you do. Had you sufficient training, you'd realize that a) people progress at different rates, and b) someone whose training is striking in a semi-dicey martial art that ended in, say, 2004, ain't gonna look too good in 2009.
I'm still waiting for my apology re: the 600 hours thing, which you insisted you never mentioned, and which I then pointed to. Twice.
Everyone makes mistakes; when I make them I apologize.
Good, so we're agreed that you owe me an apology. Where is it? See, that's the other thing: you do often say that you owe someone an apology, and you do often say that you have apologized, but the actual apology often gets lost in the middle.
I do owe Riv an apology though, I did not read the relevant threads manually looking for things like "600+"; I just searched for "600" and found a single post (the same one he found). Proving a negative (ie: I never posted X) can only be accomplished by completing an exhaustive search, and the positioning of Zendo's thread in VIP makes that difficult. Still, I was wrong and he was right.
I did just this this week and thanks to my ability to, you know, read English, managed to get a poorly placed MABS thread moved to YMAS.
If Rivington really believes MABS is full of type I error, he should speak up; that's serious.
Yes I do.
Rivington doesn't train combat sports
Does it take a lot of expertise to even identify an expert?
but is qualified to judge who can offer critiques.
Correct. An investigation done well should be held to the same standard, as say, basic investigative journalism as far as sourcing, reasoning, etc. One need not be a journalist to tell the difference between propaganda and actual journalism. Literacy and reasoning ability should be sufficient. Indeed, if only expert investigators can determine the credibility of an investigation thread, then investigations are by definition not a public service.
Rivington hasn't done any investigations, but is qualified to judge who does it well
Yeah, when the fight's eighteen seconds long and comes at the end of nine months of semi-intense bragging, uh, I mean training, pretty much anyone who can count to nineteen is qualified.
Rivington doesn't fight, but is qualified to draw conclusions from the fights of others
Yes I do.
Indeed. Does that mean boxers on this site should STFU too?
, he doesn't organize or attend TD's
This is a bboard, dude. Not a dating site.
he doesn't meet with other Bullies, or train with any.
He doesn't do anything at all except hone this particular posting style.
No, see, there's where you are wrong. This site actually isn't about you, or anything you do. That's the basis of your narcissistic delusion.
I'm 46 years old and I rolled with a BJJ brown for an hour yesterday and got subbed over and over. That's what this place is about.