By "opening up", if you mean leading a closing-in with an attempted jab, sure. I'd try to cut down on the opponent's angles of possible response by making sure my chin is tucked behind the shoulder of the jabbing-arm and keeping the other side of my face covered with the other hand.
Originally Posted by danno
If, by "opening up", you mean I'd reach-and-drop-and-loop my nonstriking hands while attempting to close range, you would have seen me make that mistake quite a bit when I was first learning to strike in the 1970s.
You would also get footage of my mouthguard and, sometimes, teeth flying out of my head. Since my previous styles didn't feature striking, grab-and-clinch was my instinct and it cost me when I tried to close range with strikers...until I drilled and drilled and learned never to close range that way. So, yes, I initially made that error and learned--the hard way--not to make it again.
Which is why I was attempting to focus on something that can be identified regardless of speed. Of course, things happen so fast that it's tempting to say that **** just happens, and that is indeed true.
Just because I've observed it happening so often in every combat sport. Actually fighting and breaking down fights via still frames and slow motion video on the internet are two very different things, sir!
I'm not sure if that conclusion is applicable in this specific case. Question: if Bader had protected his head properly with the nonstriking arm and thrown a straighter right than the one he did, might Machida's angles of possible counter not been reduced? How might closing range this way have affected the outcome of this fight? Top-level fighters drill protecting the head and they drill straight rights, so this was far from anything Bader couldn't have chosen when closing.
Bader is smarter than to do something repeatedly against Machida, isn't he? At his level, I"m sure he is. Ah, well, another mystery.
As for Bader's "pawing" to set up the right hand - yeah, that's part of the reason he ended up face-planting into Machida's fist.Before this happened, he'd been doing exactly the same thing repeatedly - pawing with the left, then throwing the right.
Not to worry: the mods will doubtless realize what has happened and move the thread. Just tell 'em it's Vieux's fault; I'll take the hit.
If other people here are enjoying reading along, I might as well go balls deep.
Now I'm really mystified. Pawing and clearing the opponent's hand away is a staple...of Karate (except for people like me, who never bother with it). It's bread-and-butter Shotokan. Why anyone would attempt to do this against Machida, who would be far more familiar with it (and ways of responding to it effectively), I just don't get.
Yeah, what were those? Sort-of standing clinches--but nobody did anything with them and they just broke it up themselves. Bader, the wrestler, would have had all sorts of options from here, and Machida has a BJJ BB.
Notice that both frames occur within the same second (4:40), yet the two fighters are in completely different positions. Machida is already far out of range.
Less often, when Machida doesn't move out of range, this happens:
Except that Bader had clinches, and the chances that go with them, but didn't rassle.
Bader is now conditioned to expect these outcomes. And he's not yet been hurt in any of the exchanges.
...and there's the rub. Why reach for it, before or then? Why not keep the nonstriking arm close to his own head, where he can parry if necessary. That's my question. It's not typical of anything he trains (as far as I know, Bader doesn't do Shotokan), so why try it against somebody whose style features it?
About 3 seconds before Bader makes the final advance, Machida changes stance to lead with his left. An important detail I missed before.
Bader makes a subtle move forward. Machida hops back.
Seeing the retreat, Bader commits to a deep lunge in an attempt to reach with the right, expecting Machida to continue moving back. Machida has anticipated this and plants his feet.
Bader knows something is going on with Machida's left hand. He reaches towards it...
All the more reason not to reach 'n' paw. Bader's camp must have been aware that Machida changes **** up like that, seemingly on a whim. Getting caught with the hand down-and-out is never advisable...and particularly suicidal when facing someone like Machida. Machida is exactly the sort of fighter one should properly cover up against, or face dismantlement.
but because Machida has changed his lead, the hand is too far away. Bader's hand gets nothing but air.
Is it my imagination, or did MAchida actually look a bit to his right and actually let loose some kind of "Kiai" thing when unleashing that right? Srs.
It's half way between a feint and a paw to clear Machida's lead hand, and it's completely ineffective for either job.
Not only is the hand he reached for too far away, but Machida's head is far closer than he expected it to be. Machida has already technically dismantled Bader, and the knockout punch is just the coup de grace.
In any case, I've got lots of ammunition to use with the Karateka I now work out with. They keep annoying me about why I don't try to "clear the opponent's hands" rather than just unleashing from stonewall as is my wont. The grabbing I save for when I have already closed to clinching range.
I was going to add more photos for that description, but it takes time. If I get requests I'll add them in.