In my (limited) experience, the beauty of these arts is that they repeat themselves. If the knife is signifcantly different from the empty hand or the staff, someone along the way made up some bullshit and slapped it on a style that they didn't fully understand. The blade is intrinsic to the art. I'm not really interested in the chicken or egg argument.
If you start looking more into proper minangkabau silat, the West javanese silat and for instance the hokkien kuntao then you might get a broader perspective on these styles.
Yeah...I really don't care that much. I shouldn't have to find some obscure style to show me what Silat keally looks like.
I've trained a little Kuntao Silat with Uncle and Keith in Boulder...and I feel like i've got a decent idea of what their art is.
Maybe you should do a little more research before you make assumptions about styles you only know a little about.
It would be silly for me to say that all wingchun practitioners just do chainpunching in triangle stances without taking to account that there are many variations.
Look...I'm not trying to argue with you...I'm trying to tell you that from a simple and logical perspective, if you are looking for empty hand self defense training...Silat or Kuntao seem like a less than the obvious or best suited choice. That's all.
I'm not trying to minimize the effectiveness of these arts...though from a simple self defense scenario sometimes how they are taught are destined to land you in manslaughter charges for dealing with a minor altercation with a sequence of 6 fatal cuts to arteries. LOL. I kid. I kid.
There are silat styles resembling wing chun, praying mantis kungfu, karate, hell even styles specific for groundfighting and nothing obscure about them.
Concluding I don't see any reason to train silat without constantly carrying a knife.
this vid w/o a doubt proves Silat's effectiveness