Aotearoa Martial Arts and Sir Gee Dorr - Kung Fu
I drove past this MA school practicing in a local park hall and looked up their web site out of interest. http://www.aotearoamartialarts.co.nz/
I'll say upfront what you can read in my profile- I know nothing about Karate and I am not even close to qualified to judge the style.
Having read a lot of this site recently, some of it steamed of bulshido, reading the orgins of the school
and the Founder.
Sir Gee Dorr Kung Fu is an ancient shaolin form of kung fu that was taught to temple guardians known as Jen Chi. Most monks learnt one form or another of shaolin kung fu but the elite that were chosen to protect the monasteries and the Abbot were taught a guardian system such as Sir Gee Dorr Kung Fu.
Sifu Robert McInnes, started his Martial arts at the age of 5 yrs old and practiced his
Kung Fu everyday, when he grew up he had a passion that ate at him to learn more.....Sifu travelled to China where he spent 4 years with Master Zui at Taishan. Here he mastered the teachings of Sir Gee Dorr being until this day the only westerner accepted by Master Zui. In the seventies to the eighties, Sifu travelled the world competing in competitions mainly in Kung Fu kumites and other fights held throughout Asia. He won 7 World Kumite titles .
By doing this he found he needed to find a way to evolve his system to work in real life situations but not lose sight of the traditional system at the same time..
Sifu's love for Asia is what bought him back to the land where martial arts evolved and is given the respect it deserves. Sifu has taught every day for the past 31 years passing on the knowledge he has acquired through 45 years of training in the martial arts. He is probably one of the very few in the world that can say he has either trained or taught martial arts everyday of his life.
In Thailand, Sifu has received numerous awards from people as high ranking as the Crowned Prince of Thailand for his achievements in Martial arts and help with charities. He is without a doubt the most recognized westerner in Thailand in the Martial arts and boxing. Nearly everyone involved in either Muay Thai Boxing or martial arts knows of his name.
Thai fighters from all over travel to study with him to learn boxing skills and punching .
From 1980 to 1991 Sifu opened and ran the Sir Ge Dorr Schools in New Zealand. Over 11000 students went through his schools with huge followings. In 1984, Sifu began the Inner student. In 1992 Sifu returned to Thailand to teach full time at Thai Military Acadamy and International School of Martial Arts where he remains today.
Sifu known for his hard core methods of training has trained some of the best fighters in the world such as Peter Aerts 3 times K1 champion, Stan The Man5 times world champion, Pedro Rizzo UFC world champion, Yodsanan 3k the WBA 130lbs world boxing champion, Yodumlung the former WBA 122lbs world champion, Daniel Dawson ISKA world champion and K1 fighter, Albert Klaus K1 world champion, Chatchai Paiseetong 3 times lumpinee world champion, The tank (Lort Tung, Sukmongkol Sitchuchork 5 time world champion, Rambo II the ISS Muay Thai Champion, and many more, these are just to name a few.
Sifu is one of the very few that has managed to understand and define the art of fighting using traditional methods, and have great success. His philosophy is that all fighting systems have the same base, its how you evolve that base foundation that will result in success. He has proven beyond a doubt that this philosophy works in all aspects of training and fighting, also in other sports as well. In 1992 Sifu took on two fighters one 15 yrs old and the other 13yrs old.
Yodsanan 3k and Yoddumlung as they are known today from 1992 to 2002 these two boys lived, ate, and slept at Sifu's private estate. In this eight year period, both boys whom had never fought before in their lives had straight win victories without a loss all the way to the WBA world title of which they both won. During all this time, only Sifu trained them using his philosophy and methods of training. Although, we are talking about international boxing, the punching and basic philosophy is the same as Sir Ge Dorr. Sifu believes it's just a case of adapting the traditional movement and evolving it into whatever system or method of fighting you are using.
and then I found these news articles about the founder
I after reading about them its confusing as they seem to be making some big claims about there history that have already been challenged and exposed at various times in the past, not to mention been seen to be criminally dangerous but are STILL here teaching unsuspecting kids and adults that its all true...
as quoted by the head Instructor of Aotearoa Martial Arts, Charlie Tamati in the NZ herald article above.
One of the few fighters to make it through McInnes' notoriously tough "Inner School" was Charlie Tamati, who teaches 150 students at a Sir Dorr school in Mt Albert, Auckland. Tamati, who takes pupils to Thailand each year to train with McInnes, denies he is a fantasist. "From what I have learned from him he is not just an ordinary Joe Bloggs. He is my sifu, my master. It's not up to us to question him ... We are taught to guard the Shaolin temples from attacks by other Shaolin monks."
they seem to be doing some things that are postive with young people
and fight in full contact kyokushin tournaments
but it seems to be completely built on bulshido?
the local free paper wrote this article without reference to the events of two years ago. It may be a paid advert disguised as an article though.
Is there anyone with personal experience of Aotearoa Martial Arts or Sir Gee Dorr Kung Fu that can illuminate the discussion?
heres a youtube channel that seems associated with Robert McInnes school in Thailand. It has full contact competition, breaking and demos. It seems the Thais certainly thought he he was legit ( is that awkward now maybe?).