Temple Kung Fu returns! in Full force with threats
They have a new school. Its definitely a Shaolin style, there's no way to disagree with this:
Because if you do disagree, you WILL be sued. FEAR IT!
Here are some brand new, exciting posts from 2012! The school is back it appears, and they have strong ties to Simon himself:
Grandmaster Simon and Mrs. Simon are also well and we have had a number of excellent visits and BBQ’s with them
we will not be tolerating defamatory comments made any long. Yes, there is the Freedom of Speech as we live in a wonderful tolerant country that allows such privileges. I have personally called ‘Grasshopper’ from this forum to discuss the difference between comments made expressing Freedom of Speech and those that are Libel (written) or Slanderous (spoken). All those engaged in public discussions need to remember that they are responsible for the comments they make...as is the medium and agents there of who chooses to publicizes those said or written comments.
Dare to be a former student, trying to tell the truth about what happened to you? :
There's been past threads on this school before, including a court report on "Grand Master" Simon, where he arguably admits that its all made up:
Case law has now been established in Canada regarding such matters. If you think you are hiding behind ‘cover names’ or ‘sign on handles’, DaveS an Ontario Student from approximately ** to around **'...you’d be wrong. I respectfully have chosen to not post your full name as you may have noticed, but you are not that hard to identify should my representatives need to contact you. There are responsibilities to comments that over step established legal boundaries.
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...p/t-11858.html <== better formatted court transcript, but the rest is in the link just below this
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=26278&page=4 <== half way down the page, the court transcripts begin
These new 2012 threatening posts are coming from a guy who is claiming that none of the bad things that happened to people has anything to do with Grand Master Simon or Temple Kung Fu, and that it was rogue students/teachers, and that the style is authentic.
Ex-students have tried to say otherwise, but are silenced through law suit threats. Their main forum was likely legally taken down:
But, from this thread here, you can see many schools of Temple Kung Fu actually practiced what we'd interpret as "scams": http://socialtech.ca/ade/index.php/t...ntario-closes/
My objective is not to bully or intimidate anyone here from expressing their view on techniques, training, experiences etc etc...but please don’t forget if anyone thinks that they will not be held accountable by me and the members of Moh Pai Defensive Arts for the comments publicly made that are below bar...you’d be wrong.... remember...you are not that hard to find and the days of that ‘Yellow Website’ are over!
Is this rehash of Temple Kung Fu full of Bullshido? Or were they good guys all along and their reputation ruined by a few untrained teachers who ran their own franchise of the Art?
I find this intriguing because he's blaming all the past masters, and has under Grand Master Simon's new wing, established a new school and is reclaiming the validity of their art.
Hopefully Money Grab is Over!
I find it bizarre that the heading on this thread is so full of threats. That is genuinely stupid and inconsistent with anyone who has an association with martial arts, or what martial arts is all about. Persons should know the truth and here is the truth about Temple Kung Fu in Winnipeg, when it existed. A couple of the head trainers were great and seemed to have a genuine passion for the art. The classes were enjoyable and the environment was enjoyable. There is one exception to this "enjoyable" experience, which was common talk among students, which I was for 18 months and everyone in Winnipeg, whom had every spent time at Temple Kung Fu had the exact same things to say. The dojo manager, who's name was Mr. Stakowski (hopefully spelled correctly), would call students into his office for a high pressure sales experience to commit to the club, for longer periods of time that they may have wanted, or could give and it was the kind of uncomfortable pressure salesmanship that one would expect by a shady used car salesman. This was a huge turn off to say the least and it was repeated, in unwarranted fashion, which really and dramatically took away from the experience. The experience was a pleasant place to train, with caring instructors and nice training partners, suddenly it felt like it was business first, in an uncomfortable way, before training, which had everyone questioning what the priority really was. I eventually quit training at Temple Kung Fu, not because I disliked the training, but the pressure sales angle became too much. I later shared my disappointing experience and having many friends in the martial arts Winnipeg community, many shared that they have trained for a time a Temple Kung Fu, which had great and accessible hours, but also quit due to pressure salesmanship and demands for overly long commitments, which many could not guarantee to make. One example: When I trained, one could sign up for 3 months of classes, 6 months, or a year. I preferred 3 months at a time, because of the ever changing nature of my job. I constantly got pressured for a year commitment, which made no sense for me and the pressure would continue in office until I felt like quitting on the spot many times. The reputation around Winnipeg, became that of a martial arts establishment, Temple Kung Fu, having money grab priorities over training priorities. I am NOT saying that this is fair, but when so many persons experienced the same thing, the reputation was NOT unwarranted. The re-opening could certainly be of qualified persons, with better priorities, with reasonable commitment requests. My goal is NOT to deter anyone from training at the re-opening locations, which may be great, but to share the experience that happened to me and happened to many. Great training, with ridiculous demands, which may not exist with the re-opening of the clubs. The training part was rewarding. I am trying to be accurate and fair. I don't regret training in Winnipeg at all, looking back on it, but it was disappointing, that at that time, the pressure sales turned me off, which may not be the case now. Thanks and all the best!