As I said, you didn't want to hear about it and you assumed, that is what I was telling you.
Originally Posted by Sophist
There are different sparrings in different systems.
There is randori in Judo (only stand up, only ground or both) I think you know what is allowed there and what not.
Then there is TKD. It depends on what we are training, when we train for olympic we use the olympic rule set, when we "normal spar" it is more like kyukushin only that we don't do the head kicks in training, we pull them before we hit, else, low kicks, kicks to the body, fists to the body. I think it is understood.
The 2on1 you are probably referring to (we do this in Allkampf only) it is almost always that the defender will lose, not always but most time, it is about trying to keep yourself up, be aware where your attackers are and what you/they are doing. As I said, it gets rough. And the course of the sparring highly depends on if the people involved are interested in some normal "fight" or more fight with some "technique", it also can vary depending on what the teacher wants people to do, restrain somebody on the ground or force him into a corner... stuff like that.
We don't kick in the groin and no head kicks/strikes allowed for the defender, the attacker can try strikes to the head but is supposed to pull when they would hit (well sometimes they hit... it happens)
they are bent but the contact part lies on the surface (your skull) if I had a camera(video) I would tape it and upload but I don't have one, we can go over this thing for a long time and hopefully at the end you will agree or don't but instruction a technique via internet is not a good thing.
They're bent, yet lying flat? Interesting. Care to explain this further? I'm unable to make my hand lie flat when the fingers are bent.
See above, I try to get a camera and videotape the technique so you can understand it...
Yup, there wasn't even any pain, let alone something requiring me to move anything. I curled my fingers roughly into a fist such as I'd curl round a tuft of hair. If this isn't what you meant... well, your description was really pretty vague, and this is a technique meant to be employed when you can't see your opponent's hand.
why behind my head? I think you have a wrong idea of the technique, again, it is not easy to explain a technique over the internet...
While I'm at it, your original technique mentioned interlacing fingers for this. Do I have to go into why interlacing your fingers to clasp your hands together and lifting them behind your head is a hilariously bad idea? (Not got it? Here's a hint: imagine the guy lets go of your hair. What might he do next?)
You must be imagining some fairly weird hand position. That, and your opponent not reacting at all to you clasping your hands together and putting them behind your head. This is really getting pretty odd.
Tell me, in which system you are allowed to pull hair? And how many fighters do have hair to pull? I see your point, it is valid but you see my point as well? How can I provide a video for a move that counters a move is not allowed in a "normal competition"? Don't get all witty on me here and I know this is kind of apples and oranges but you don't doubt the effectiveness of a kick to the balls do you? Because you either have seen it or experienced it for yourself (one way or an other). Well I did with this move.
Most of your training is in arts even you acknowledge have large amounts of ****. While every system has flaws, some systems are much more flawed than others. When you're dealing with systems which are known to err on the heavily flawed side and you're defending techniques that you don't have video of decent fighters using in a competitive context, you're going to have to go the extra mile to prove you're not talking out your ass.
You reading something into my statement that I did not said. I said they use a standing wrist lock instead the arm behind your back thingy other police forces do, and they are successful with it, that was all I am saying but again, you might "want to" see something/read something I don't say or not that way.
Because police come in large numbers and are generally armed, idiot. Police do not generally go into fights one on one and try to apply wristlocks. Again, this has been gone over many times on Bullshido before.
Because it is not a wristlock (when the technique is performed the way I said, hence I said in my initial comment
You're the one bringing the claim. Someone made a perfectly sensible comment that a standing wristlock using the head was a bullshit technique. This would fit with everything else commonly said here about standing wristlocks. You had to differ.
If he was talking about a different technique that is fine, he just had to say: "we did something different", yes I came off a little attacking but I explained/ apologized for that already) it is a transition move to get your attacker either more towards the ground in order to knee/kick him or to prevent (and here comes my critique in my initial post) the attacker from kicking/knee you in the face. That was my point.
See I don't exactly know what technique you are talking about (since you don't discribe it so well) but if it is the technique I think it is, it works.
Once again, a counter to an illegal move...
When a technique is not commonly used in a competitive environment, and contains elements that are generally considered highly ineffective, it's not the person who's calling it ineffective who has something to prove; it's the person who wishes to claim otherwise.
I try to videotape the technique or else and prove it.
For the hundredth time, it is not a wrist lock, you grab his extended hand/arm by using his fingers+hand to create pressure on the wrist/hand/fingers and just push it down and into him, you don't hold him like that or anything, you just force him into this position
PS: I found a krav maga video that has a similar technique (it is not the exact but similar!!!) just that we all know what we are talking about. (first 30 seconds)
The difference is that in the technique I am talking you don't bend over like this but only until you look at his shoes, then pull the hand out of your hair and into your attacker as mentioned before.
YouTube - Krav Maga for Women : Defend Against The Hair Grab for Women
@ Blizzard, again I was kind of unfriendly that day, I am sorry...