Originally Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
September 15th 2010, Yes I still have a copy of it
A) I have no idea what the circumstances were regarding the student leaving Mr. Russell. I know that it occurred some while ago. I contacted him asking him about his BB posing as a student so not to arouse his suspicion. Frankly, I was surprised by his candidness.
Originally Posted by Dsimon3387
B) Let me explain the story a little bit better. 15 years ago there were very few people in the Albany area who practiced BJJ. Jay from my understanding was one of these original practitioners. All legit guys in the area either got their start with Jay and therefore seem unwillingly to openly criticize him out of respect (though they chuckle about the BB behind his back, long before there was substantial evidence that it was illegitimate) or they are newer to the area and either don't know him/don't care/ or consider him an oddity.
It certainly is strange that someone parading as a BJJ black belt would would have their claim unchallenged for so long. I am unable to explain this in any terms other than the ones I offered above. I realize that it appears strange that these claims would come so suddenly and so late. It simply stems from my happening across this information. As I do more research his story continues to appear more off.
I also found this thread on Sherdog:
Also, it appears at least a portion of Mr. Russell's resume is legit:
I also found this link where he claims that he is a BB under Jordan Damon AND that Jordan Damon is a BB under Carlson Gracie: http://www.myspace.com/russell_jiujitsu
I live in Albany, and would love to help with this in some way. However, my own actual skills are next to nonexistent (the only hard sparring schools around here that I have so far found are either inaccessible to me for transportation reasons or far too expensive). But if there is something that I could do to help, I am at least in the area.
A few thoughts: i think it's a personal choice if you would or would not want to learn from a guy who'd lie about his lineage when his skills are good.
Originally Posted by Dojostormz
you could think the guy is a douchebag for lying about lineage, or you could be pragmatic and get tuition from a skilled grappler.
that's your own choice.
If the information you put up here is correct then it seems that Russell went along with the lie for as long as he could, and thus not showing any form of integrity/ personal growth that would make him come clean.
Part of me understands it must be hard to be trapped in such a lie, it could be funest for your bussiness to bring up such a lie.
On the other hand: if all his other accomplishments are legit and he's a good grappler, he should get a firm kick under his ass for being a douchebag, but hey, he knows his **** and it would be a shame to totally discard him.
We're all human and we all make mistakes.
Now what the original poster should realise is that a lot of people start these kinda threads/investigations out of a personal grudge.
I think ' Hugo Stiglitz' (don't worry it's ot the real one) is making sure you are honestly adressing a issue, and not trying to get back at this Jay Russell.
my two cents.
I agree which is why I've tried to take the steps to show that there is no agenda. I was definitely a bit overzealous to start, so I don't blame him for the conclusion he reached.
Originally Posted by Lebell
Perhaps you're right in saying that what Mr. Russell needs is a swift kick in the ass, rather than a true tearing down. I suppose that will be dictated by what we can find out about this. I'm having trouble tracking down a contact for Jordan Damon, to either legitimatize or deny Mr. Russell's claim, any help there would be appreciated.
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Originally Posted by pluma134
Thanks for responding and let me make a suggestion to you. Given your post you may have a situation that is similar to some of what I have experienced. In my case some of th people I trained with I never got formal certs from... that is just their way.
If this is your situation try to get a letter or something fromthese people. Do it because these "FALL OUTS" happen a lot more than they should. When they do you cannot verify information.
It sounds like this situation you speak of could be resolved easily this way... I hope this helps I would strongly suggest it as one who has about 35 years experience at this point.
Thank you for posting in a timely and non-confrontational manner. Would any of your instructors be willing to make an official statement as to your BJJ lineage?
As that is the only Martial Arts credential apparently in question, it would go a long way towards shutting this thread down.