BKR
My dog is cuter and smarter than yours.

My permanent ban has been lifted(?)


Happy new year to you and yours and enjoy whats left of this year.

Regards John

Thanks for that BKR,off forum I am a much more amicable person who is genuinely interested in learning.
Some of my sources appear authoritive(like Royce Gracie's mouth in the documentry,who would have thought he was lying for the whole community to see).
Other sources are and some are not
Thanks for the we bit of history on that.

I am not a Judoka or BJJ exponent and have very limited training in traditional Jujutsu.

My sincere appologies if my lack of knowledge offended you and thankyou for pointing
it out for my improvement.

Regards John

This was consistant with the limited Judo and Jujutsu I was exposed to in 1985.

The correct source would have to be Judo/jujutsu with the main influence being Kodokan Judo.

I also never said that it descended from "koryu jujutsu" and in fact there are many non "Koryu"
jujutsu schools/styles around today as Gezere pointed out(his example was not one of them though)

CNTD

In an interview with Royce Gracie on a documentary about UFC and the rise of Gracie Jujutsu
(UFC:Ultimate Royce Gracie) Royce refers to the style his family learnt
under "Conde Koma" as Jujutsu.

This along with the fact that "modern olympic styled judo" and most modern judo styles(last 20 to 30 years)
don't utilize legs to lock the opponet and other components of Gracie Jujutsu are not found in
modern Judo,I concluded that the main source of this art was juijutsu.

Hello BKR

Count Combat,Conde Koma or Mitsuyo Maeda 前田 光世 practised Kodokan Judo and introduced this
to the Gracie family.
His art was also known at the time as 'Kano Jiu-Jitsu'-but this was more than likely a
miss representation or misguided respect towards Mitsuyo Maeda's teacher,Kano Jigoro,who founded
Judo and probably only used locally(South America).
As Mitsuyo Maeda trained at the Kodokan his style was Kodokan Judo as you pointed out.