edited: forget it. I still reckon the full-contact Wado you described is the anomaly. All the Wado I know about in Melbourne at least is points krotty.

This is from a recent post of mine where someone was looking for a school:
You probably can't go wrong with what selfcritical rec'd with Straight Blast Gym or team quest, but I found, like in Hawaii, I didn't fit with Kyokushin anymore, but Universal Kempo, a Kajukenbo style split off, fit well. As Egan Inoue, of Grappling Unlimited Hawaii, a very good modern MT BJJ type school, told me, those Hawaiian Kempo guys are old school! And the heart felt dedication, openness to new techniques (BJJ, of course), self defense emphasis, Hawaiian Kempo brotherhood, and hard training made me feel right at home.

Egan's school is also a real good school, but it's full of 20 to 30 year olds in spandex... Universal is a fit for me because it has the great Hawaiian tradition and all sorts of students; both the thirty year old third dan cop who can kick your ass through the roof and the fifty year old chubby Chinese lady black belt (who'd really surprise a perv).

Thanks for filling me in. It's Daniel Shioi, not Choi, oops. I'd read his bio years ago and while I'm not in his class, we do have some similarities in our ma lives.

Here's the link to Sifu Shioi's bio. What a resume! http://www.shioiskajukenbosystem.com/Shioi.html

Yeah, cool pic fug. Those are the founding members of the Ordonez Kajukenbo Ohana. The handsome guy on Uncle Frank's left is me. On the right Gerry Scott, Daniel Shioi. Back row from l to r Nick Striebich, Raymond Ma'ae, Shaynee Scott, Mike Samala, and Jerome Fonseca. Mahalo.

Thanks, man. It was exhausting, but if it keeps even a couple of people out of that place it's well worth it. Especially children.

oh god no, I just read that thread early this morning before work and thought very highly of your effort in writing all that AND your honesty. Reputation!!!

Do you know those freaks or something? The poekoelan guys?

Thanks Iakona, I'll probably be out at the end of June and early July this summer. Meex said that we aught to have a throwndown.

The picture has Frank Ordonez second from the left, and I think that that's Choi on the end. He, like me, started with Kiyohisa Hirano Sensei of Wado-ryu in HNL, many years ago. I just thought that it was a cool picture.

Aloha Fug,

If I may ma ha oi, the guy you were referring to who had a school in Kahala is Don Crummer. His student Kelii Estaban has a branch school in Palolo now.

By the way, that's a handsome bunch of folks in the pic to the right entitled Hawaiian Kenpo. Do you know them or who they are? I'm curious where you may have gotten that pic from.

Hello kajukine, I hope this is where I respond? Anyhoo, when I worked out with Kajukenbo Self Defense Institute on Punchbowl St. a couple years ago (at the Royal School - I reviewed this and Universal Kempo Karate in reviews section) a high ranking instructor who has a school in Kahala came in for awhile. He was a nice guy, or at least seemed so, maybe he was inviting me to his school just to beat the shit out me? I don't know who he is, I'll ask Meex, who knows everyone in HI. I was a student of Instructor Steve Davis, of Logan Utah back in the seventies, and he was certified under Gaylord and Vargas. We paid our dues ($12, which was a lot for me back then) to Vargas. Years later I was wearing my Kaju gi and a Kaju bb got in my face saying what was I doing wearing their patches. I said I had paid my dues to Vargas and he shut up.

UKKSA has a branch in Kaimuki, but nothing in Kahala or Hawaii Kai.