cj
Featherweight

Thats cool my friend i wouldnt call them bullshido but essentially wing chun is a flawed system and the point you made about being soft is exactly what im talking about. Martial arts should have a point and the point (generally) is being able to defend your self against someone who is bigger, stronger, more aggressive than you. I truly believe (and can provide ample evidence if required) that wing chun dont answer this fundamental problem in a satsifactory manner that can be replicated time and again by people who are as you say "soft".
I sincerely hope you continue to enjoy training with those guys as they are a good bunch (just dont get drawn into the 'politics' ;) ) And i still believe that if you are going to do wing chun you have imo picked one of the best places.

cj, thanks for your messages. I am learning from those guys. As you said, they're pretty tough regardless of Wing Chun, but I am a pretty soft guy, regardless which style.
Since starting Wing Chun that has somewhat improved, but I'd never claim to be a fighter or aspire to compete in any way. Maybe that's why I haven't got the feeling of "wasting my time". But I'd never think that the bit of training would make me a fighter, unless I'd train like someone who aspires to fight.

But I don't think training with those guys is just "Bullshido" and utterly useless, either.

Just my 2p.