Dear Sir, yes i have seen the link, this is what Al Martin does - because I came online and had a pop at him I fully expect to recieve a whole load of abuse, from different users (all Al), different e-mail ad's etc etc, he is truly a nut case. I met him once as described earlier in the post and i have confirmed my identity with Jeff fromt he site. I thought it best to pm you as it can all get confusing. By the way I am a moderator and have been for a few years at fa.com if you need external credability checks etc etc. Rgds Jim Neeter www.shoshinkanuk.blogspot.com