I guess the next step would be: How to emulate Kano?
also, who tried and failed?
Hedgehogey
8/22/2010 2:35pm,
Running dojos successfully as a nonprofit.
DdlR
8/22/2010 2:59pm,
"How to emulate Kano ... " That's a really good question.
Kano was a genius and they simply don't come along very often. He was at his peak at a time when his country stood at a major historical cross-road. Kano applied the best of both Asian and European traditions and innovations towards simultaneously preserving Japan's martial legacy and transforming it into a modern, international sport. And, obviously, this wasn't just in terms of martial arts techniques; he had the necessary education, political connections (in the right fields), charisma and obsessive drive to create Kodokan judo.
Russia went more-or-less the same way pretty early in the development of SAMBO via the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Sports_Club, and they had some high-powered people at the beginning (Oshchepkov, Spiridonov). Korea did it by committee (of course), and the result was the Kukkiwon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukkiwon).
Basically, for a contemporary MA to emulate Kano's success, you'd first need at least one martial arts/organizational genius on board, backed up by a governmental or corporate institution willing to commit their resources to the project. It ain't gonna happen at the strip-mall dojo level.
Uglybugly
8/22/2010 5:38pm,
sparring under realistic conditions as long as it doesn't get people hurt to much.
Athletes do martial arts. fags do knitting. Kano got ride of alot of students that wasn't fit to do judo
feral00
8/22/2010 5:47pm,
How about running consistent quality schools with real sparring for a reasonable price.
patfromlogan
8/22/2010 5:55pm,
The full contact aspect of Judo is seen to have contributed to the lack of "The Deadly" bullshit. This is the style's great contribution.
Another topic could be what we can learn from Judo's mistakes. Care to turtle up? Or is it down?
patfromlogan
8/22/2010 5:56pm,
sparring under realistic conditions as long as it doesn't get people hurt to much.
Athletes do martial arts. fags do knitting. Kano got ride of alot of students that wasn't fit to do judoIdiocy.
feral00
8/22/2010 6:03pm,
Im going to have a swing at what mistakes judo is making. The major one I see is the increase of restrictions despite the relativly low injury rate for a contact sport, this is mostly due to it becoming the olympics bitch in recent years, much like TKD has already. People view judo differently than other contact sports like boxing or even BJJ that is why these restrictions in my view are being allowed.
hornyhobo
8/22/2010 6:06pm,
The full contact aspect of Judo is seen to have contributed to the lack of "The Deadly" bullshit. This is the style's great contribution.
Another topic could be what we can learn from Judo's mistakes. Care to turtle up? Or is it down?
Hmmm, I think Judo does what it was designed to do. That being throwing people. It's harsh on the body, and may not be the best choice for self defense, but it's also a lot of fun. You just have to have the right expectations.
callum828
8/22/2010 6:46pm,
Hmmm, I think Judo does what it was designed to do. That being throwing people. It's harsh on the body, and may not be the best choice for self defense, but it's also a lot of fun. You just have to have the right expectations.
I'd say it's one of the best MAs for self-defence. You get to practice everything you learn in randori (aside from leglocks etc), it covers ground-fighting and gives you a strong level of control over how much you hurt the other guy. Combined with something like boxing I'd say you're set.
callum828
8/22/2010 6:49pm,
To contribute to the discussion though, i think the reason other MAs have failed to emulate the Kodokan is because their single founders are dead or the MA was developed by several people. I mean, Oyama could have made a Kodokan style organisation, but he didn't, hence the stupid politics to follow. Likewise with Helio Gracie.
Coach Josh
8/22/2010 6:51pm,
Hmmm, I think Judo does what it was designed to do. That being throwing people. It's harsh on the body, and may not be the best choice for self defense, but it's also a lot of fun. You just have to have the right expectations.
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Karate, Aikido and other Japanese based MA have tried to emulate Judo and its structure but, just like Judo in America, have internal conflicts and people go away and start their own groups, schools, NGB, and rank mills.
Kodokan 1882
Shotokan 1939
Aikido 1920-30 ish
Judo as a MA has not failed in delivering its core principles, the IJF has failed judoka in keeping up with the times. BJJ at its core has done a better job of preserving the fighting side of Judo than Judo. The willingness to compete outside of Judo is not part of many dojos as is the willingness to expand the knowledge in newaza with adopting some BJJ techniques, principles or strategies.
Some do many do not, this is not one of those but my school does this and my school does that things its about the sport of Judo as I see it.
hornyhobo
8/22/2010 6:57pm,
Read more post less.
Karate, Aikido and other Japanese based MA have tried to emulate Judo and its structure but, just like Judo in America, have internal conflicts and people go away and start their own groups, schools, NGB, and rank mills.
Kodokan 1882
Shotokan 1939
Aikido 1920-30 ish
Judo as a MA has not failed in delivering its core principles, the IJF has failed judoka in keeping up with the times. BJJ at its core has done a better job of preserving the fighting side of Judo than Judo. The willingness to compete outside of Judo is not part of many dojos as is the willingness to expand the knowledge in newaza with adopting some BJJ techniques, principles or strategies.
Some do many do not, this is not one of those but my school does this and my school does that things its about the sport of Judo as I see it.
I think you should take your own advice about posting less, or at least reading what you're responding to.
